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I was detained at the TSA checkpoint for about 25 minutes today
#61
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Originally Posted by PTravel
Hunh? Got a cite for that?
Digg.com "Man faces jail time for writing curse on IRS check" I googled it.
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From the University of Kentucky:
http://www.uky.edu/SGA/pdf/police_at_your_door.pdf
There was a recent Supreme Court case (Hibel v. Sixth Jud. Dist. Ct. of Nev.) upholding the right of law enforcement officers to ask someone to identify themselves, but from a brief skim of the decision, it doesn't seem to address the issue of any sort of an ID document.
Technically, you aren't required to show ID [to the police] unless you're being arrested, ticketed, or you're driving.
There was a recent Supreme Court case (Hibel v. Sixth Jud. Dist. Ct. of Nev.) upholding the right of law enforcement officers to ask someone to identify themselves, but from a brief skim of the decision, it doesn't seem to address the issue of any sort of an ID document.
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I think what you did is ridiculous and stupid. I think detaining you for about 25 minutes is about what you deserve. Maybe a little too short. I would have preferred they annoy you for a good 45 minutes or so - hopefully making you miss your flight.
First, you obviously were looking for a confrontation. Either the screeners will not notice what you wrote, or not care - what's the point in that case -- or they will notice and confront you. And the point of your desired confrontation is... to express your opinion that their boss is an idiot? What does that accomplish? Are you just an attention whore, or do you think you're planting some kind of seed of discontent that will spread and lead to Hawley's resignation.
Second, and more serious, your sophomoric little stunt distracted the people who are responsible for our security. If someone bent on harming travellers was behind you in line that day, their odds of getting through security were probably much higher than normal -- for the simple fact that you were consuming the attention of several security and police officers.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow up.
First, you obviously were looking for a confrontation. Either the screeners will not notice what you wrote, or not care - what's the point in that case -- or they will notice and confront you. And the point of your desired confrontation is... to express your opinion that their boss is an idiot? What does that accomplish? Are you just an attention whore, or do you think you're planting some kind of seed of discontent that will spread and lead to Hawley's resignation.
Second, and more serious, your sophomoric little stunt distracted the people who are responsible for our security. If someone bent on harming travellers was behind you in line that day, their odds of getting through security were probably much higher than normal -- for the simple fact that you were consuming the attention of several security and police officers.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow up.
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ColKurtz, I disagree with everything (and I mean everything) you just typed.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
ColKurtz, I disagree with everything (and I mean everything) you just typed.
Because airport security isn't annoying enough without people like the OP, who are just waiting to be offended and go around baiting people into confrontations.
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To all those in the "ridiculous and stupid" camp, here's a nice read for you.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
ColKurtz, I disagree with everything (and I mean everything) you just typed.
As far as the IDs, cops can always ask for whatever they want, but unless they have probably cause that you committed a crime and have detained you, and asking for ID is the way to confirm who you are, no LEO can detain you for not showing an ID when asked. There is no law on the books that says that you have to have a photo ID on you, except a license when driving. Bottom line.
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Originally Posted by ColKurtz
Yes, we should all go and harrass airport security, hoping they challenge our first amendment rights, so that we can... argue with them... and demonstrate our rights... to... what is the point again?
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Originally Posted by ColKurtz
Yes, we should all go and harrass airport security, hoping they challenge our first amendment rights, so that we can... argue with them... and demonstrate our rights... to... what is the point again?
Because airport security isn't annoying enough without people like the OP, who are just waiting to be offended and go around baiting people into confrontations.
Because airport security isn't annoying enough without people like the OP, who are just waiting to be offended and go around baiting people into confrontations.
We should be demonstrating our rights more frequently as the OP did so that we call attention to just how stupid Comrade Hawley's little insecurity charade really is. The man is a charlatan.
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Originally Posted by kaukau
Digg.com "Man faces jail time for writing curse on IRS check" I googled it.
Smartypants V. IRS
Verdict: Annual audits for life.
Smartypants V. IRS
Verdict: Annual audits for life.
Presuming this is the one you're talking about, it was not an IRS check, the guy was charged with contempt of court for writing an expletive on a check paying a fine. In any event, the ACLU intervened, believing the charge to be unconstitutional.
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Originally Posted by kaukau
It's all heresay. As galling as it is. All heresay. Am I wrong? Hard to prove a suit, but makes a great story.
Heresay? Don't think so.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
ColKurtz, I disagree with everything (and I mean everything) you just typed.
OP: ^
What you wrote was an opinion of yours about a government official (civil servant) as well as protected free speach.
Request a copy of the police report from the Milwaukee Airport Police. It should be available as public record.
Secondly, did the TSA provide any "Privacy Act" information to you when you requested information? Just for the hell of it, I'd file a freedom of information act request just to see what the TSA has on record.
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Originally Posted by ColKurtz
I think what you did is ridiculous and stupid. I think detaining you for about 25 minutes is about what you deserve. Maybe a little too short. I would have preferred they annoy you for a good 45 minutes or so - hopefully making you miss your flight.
Originally Posted by ColKurtz
First, you obviously were looking for a confrontation. Either the screeners will not notice what you wrote, or not care - what's the point in that case -- or they will notice and confront you. And the point of your desired confrontation is... to express your opinion that their boss is an idiot? What does that accomplish? Are you just an attention whore, or do you think you're planting some kind of seed of discontent that will spread and lead to Hawley's resignation.
Originally Posted by ColKurtz
Second, and more serious, your sophomoric little stunt distracted the people who are responsible for our security. If someone bent on harming travellers was behind you in line that day, their odds of getting through security were probably much higher than normal -- for the simple fact that you were consuming the attention of several security and police officers.
Originally Posted by ColKurtz
You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow up.
Last edited by GUWonder; Sep 26, 2006 at 8:26 pm
#75
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I'd get TMJ4 and Fox 6 all over them... I'll be looking for this next week.
Katrina Cravy doesn't get get pushed around
Katrina Cravy doesn't get get pushed around