Mar 21, 2017, 9:28 am
Last edit by: oopl
7/19: Electronics ban over! Saudia lifts ban.
https://twitter.com/Saudi_Airlines/status/887588098464415744/photo/1
7/12: Royal Air Maroc lifts ban starting 7/13.
https://twitter.com/RAM_Maroc/status/885068591909011459/photo/1
EgyptAir ban also lifted.
https://twitter.com/EGYPTAIR/status/885052169233330176/photo/1
7/9: Royal Jordanian & Kuwait Airways lift ban.
https://twitter.com/RoyalJordanian/status/884063505397288960/photo/1
https://twitter.com/KuwaitAirways/status/884080142913593344
7/5: Emirates & Qatar lifts ban.
https://www.emirates.com/us/english/help/travel-updates.aspx#/#4086177
http://www.qatarairways.com/us/en/travel-alerts.page?CID=AFALL0204026300000000000
7/4: Turkish lifts electronics ban.
https://twitter.com/TurkishAirlines/status/882343356143161344/
7/2: Etihad lifts electronics ban.
http://www.etihad.com/en/announcements/usa-flights-electronic-device-ban/
6/28: "DHS said the 10 airports where US-bound passengers are currently required to place large PEDs in checked baggage—the so-called laptop ban—can have those PED restrictions lifted if the airports comply with the enhanced security measures being required by the US."
Source: http://atwonline.com/security/all-us...y-requirements
As per mods: No political talk! Political discussions are permitted over in Omni-PR linked below.
Real life experiences with the ban:
Emirates 1
Qatar 1
Official info from U.S. DHS.
Source: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/03/21/...rture-airports
Emirates passengers flying to US directly from Dubai:
Source: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-introduces-laptop-and-tablet-handling-service-for-us-flights
Other threads on this topic:
Thread on this subject in TSS-Debate Forum
Thread on this subject in Omni-PR
Thread on similar UK ban, in TSS-Practical forum
https://twitter.com/Saudi_Airlines/status/887588098464415744/photo/1
7/12: Royal Air Maroc lifts ban starting 7/13.
https://twitter.com/RAM_Maroc/status/885068591909011459/photo/1
EgyptAir ban also lifted.
https://twitter.com/EGYPTAIR/status/885052169233330176/photo/1
7/9: Royal Jordanian & Kuwait Airways lift ban.
https://twitter.com/RoyalJordanian/status/884063505397288960/photo/1
https://twitter.com/KuwaitAirways/status/884080142913593344
7/5: Emirates & Qatar lifts ban.
https://www.emirates.com/us/english/help/travel-updates.aspx#/#4086177
http://www.qatarairways.com/us/en/travel-alerts.page?CID=AFALL0204026300000000000
7/4: Turkish lifts electronics ban.
https://twitter.com/TurkishAirlines/status/882343356143161344/
7/2: Etihad lifts electronics ban.
http://www.etihad.com/en/announcements/usa-flights-electronic-device-ban/
6/28: "DHS said the 10 airports where US-bound passengers are currently required to place large PEDs in checked baggage—the so-called laptop ban—can have those PED restrictions lifted if the airports comply with the enhanced security measures being required by the US."
Source: http://atwonline.com/security/all-us...y-requirements
As per mods: No political talk! Political discussions are permitted over in Omni-PR linked below.
Real life experiences with the ban:
Emirates 1
Qatar 1
Official info from U.S. DHS.
Source: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/03/21/...rture-airports
The aviation security enhancements will include requiring that all personal electronic devices larger than a cell phone or smart phone be placed in checked baggage at 10 airports where flights are departing for the United States.
These enhancements apply to 10 specific airports. The affected overseas airports are: Queen Alia International Airport (AMM), Cairo International Airport (CAI), Ataturk International Airport (IST), King Abdul-Aziz International Airport (JED), King Khalid International Airport (RUH), Kuwait International Airport (KWI), Mohammed V Airport (CMN), Hamad International Airport (DOH), Dubai International Airport (DXB), and Abu Dhabi International Airport (AUH).
There is no impact on domestic flights in the United States or flights departing the United States. Electronic devices will continue to be allowed on all flights originating in the United States.
These enhancements apply to 10 specific airports. The affected overseas airports are: Queen Alia International Airport (AMM), Cairo International Airport (CAI), Ataturk International Airport (IST), King Abdul-Aziz International Airport (JED), King Khalid International Airport (RUH), Kuwait International Airport (KWI), Mohammed V Airport (CMN), Hamad International Airport (DOH), Dubai International Airport (DXB), and Abu Dhabi International Airport (AUH).
There is no impact on domestic flights in the United States or flights departing the United States. Electronic devices will continue to be allowed on all flights originating in the United States.
Source: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-introduces-laptop-and-tablet-handling-service-for-us-flights
Emirates customers travelling to the US via Dubai will be able to utilise their laptops and tablet devices on the first part of their journeys, and also during transit in Dubai. They must then declare and hand over their laptops, tablets, and other banned electronic devices to security staff at the gate just before boarding their US-bound flight. The devices will be carefully packed into boxes, loaded into the aircraft hold, and returned to the customer at their US destination. There will not be any charge for this service.
Passengers on US-bound flights starting their journeys in Dubai are encouraged to pack their electronic devices into their check-in luggage in the first instance, to avoid delays.
Customers should be aware that there will be a detailed search of all hand baggage on non-stop flights to the US from Dubai. They should therefore declare their devices before the search, or ensure their electronic devices are packed into their check-in luggage in the first instance.
Passengers on US-bound flights starting their journeys in Dubai are encouraged to pack their electronic devices into their check-in luggage in the first instance, to avoid delays.
Customers should be aware that there will be a detailed search of all hand baggage on non-stop flights to the US from Dubai. They should therefore declare their devices before the search, or ensure their electronic devices are packed into their check-in luggage in the first instance.
Thread on this subject in TSS-Debate Forum
Thread on this subject in Omni-PR
Thread on similar UK ban, in TSS-Practical forum
Electronics Banned in Cabin on Flights to US from 8 ME and North African Countries
Mar 20, 2017, 1:24 pm
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Electronics Banned in Cabin on Flights to US from 8 ME and North African Countries
Lucky posts that there will be a widespread in-flight electronics ban on flights to the U.S. from 13 countries. Cell phones and medically necessary devices are exempted. This means laptops, tablets cameras, etc. will have to be checked.
What a mess that's going to be.
Source: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ectronics-ban/
What a mess that's going to be.
Source: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ectronics-ban/
Mar 20, 2017, 1:27 pm
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Carry On Electronics Ban from Middle East to US
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ectronics-ban/
Lucky from One Mile at a time got an e-mail from Royal Jordanian telling him from March 21 onwards, only mobile phones and required electronic medical devices would be allowed in carryon for flights to and from the US. Laptops, cameras, dvd players must be checked.
I remember right after 9/11 when the only thing you could bring on the plane was what fit into a clear plastic bag. I think that took a a week to get sorted.
Lucky from One Mile at a time got an e-mail from Royal Jordanian telling him from March 21 onwards, only mobile phones and required electronic medical devices would be allowed in carryon for flights to and from the US. Laptops, cameras, dvd players must be checked.
I remember right after 9/11 when the only thing you could bring on the plane was what fit into a clear plastic bag. I think that took a a week to get sorted.
Mar 20, 2017, 1:37 pm
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The ban begins Tuesday for RJ flights to DTW, JFK, ORD, and YUL. Montreal because it enters US airspace? AMM-YUL would seem to get far closer to Maine on the great circle/global arc route than a theoretical AMM-YYZ.
The ban begins Tuesday for RJ flights to DTW, JFK, ORD, and YUL. Montreal because it enters US airspace? AMM-YUL would seem to get far closer to Maine on the great circle/global arc route than a theoretical AMM-YYZ.
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Mar 20, 2017, 1:39 pm
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I was in London on 9/11. First planes were grounded, then when planes flew again pax were given extra large clear plastic bags they could put their personal effects in, but everything else had to be checked, including laptops. My flight was supposed to have left LHR on 14 September back to the US, but there was such a backlog of pax from the days grounded that I didn't leave for another 7 days. Pax who left those first days had the baggies. By the time I finally left, the carryon issue was sorted.
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Mar 20, 2017, 2:09 pm
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I often connect in DXB arriving on flydubai and in a separate ticket catch Emirates to US.
How will they enforce such airside transfers on completely separate tickets. It will be good if people can provide data points on how the enforcement of this is.
How will they enforce such airside transfers on completely separate tickets. It will be good if people can provide data points on how the enforcement of this is.
Mar 20, 2017, 2:11 pm
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According to TPG...
As this will affect American Airlines codeshare flights operated by Royal Jordanian, we checked with AA to see if it has any more information regarding the ban. An AA spokesperson noted that the airline is still working to gather information, however, it’s “been told this does not apply to any flights operated by American Airlines.”
Mar 20, 2017, 2:13 pm
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One reporter is tweeting that the ban applies for the next 96 hours. I wonder whether it'll be extended/the parameters more clearly defined.
Edit: Newer reports seem to indicate the ban is indefinite.
Edit: Newer reports seem to indicate the ban is indefinite.
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Mar 20, 2017, 2:17 pm
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I was flying a carrier internationally from Europe back to the US within 7 days of 9/11 -- despite that not being part of my plans before 9/11, a day on which I too was flying a US carrier. I thought I had my laptop and cell phone in my normal carryon bag on that post-9/11 September 2011 flight since I didn't check in luggage on that trip and didn't wait at the baggage carousel at JFK; but I'll have to try to check my records to revalidate that. The most restrictive carry-on restrictions I've ever faced flying to the US was when in an almost surreal move the US banned even lap children from flying into the US, and that was along with a ban on just about all carry-ons. This was years after 9/11. This electronics prohibition seems generous in comparison.
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Mar 20, 2017, 2:20 pm
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Which 13 countries? Can't see a list of countries anywhere.
And wait a minute....aren't lithium batteries banned from checked luggage? But don't tablets and cameras have lithium batteries?
And wait a minute....aren't lithium batteries banned from checked luggage? But don't tablets and cameras have lithium batteries?
Mar 20, 2017, 2:24 pm
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SOnly Royal Jordanian, but who knows if that counts. The RJ Montreal thing is perhaps due to YUL-DTW? RJ has been known to play online troll via Twitter, but this time?
Saudia seems to be on the same page as RJ:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-13-countries
Saudia seems to be on the same page as RJ:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-13-countries
Last edited by essxjay; Mar 20, 2017 at 5:29 pm Reason: let's leave fake news chatter out of this please
Mar 20, 2017, 2:52 pm
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Unless there is evidence of some specific threat to which this is a response, this strikes me as open to legal challenge as being arbitrary and capricious, which is one standard for overturning an administrative action. I cannot think of a good reason for it and it seems designed to be punitive toward the airlines of countries that are not favored by the current administration. Moreover, if this is some kind of security action, it seems to be one that is easily circumvented by flying through a nation not subject to the ban.
Mar 20, 2017, 3:14 pm
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Lucky posts that there will be a widespread in-flight electronics ban on flights to the U.S. from 13 countries. Cell phones and medically necessary devices are exempted. This means laptops, tablets cameras, etc. will have to be checked.
What a mess that's going to be.
Source: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ectronics-ban/
What a mess that's going to be.
Source: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ectronics-ban/
Mar 20, 2017, 3:17 pm
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Saw another news source that US Airlines aren't subject to this restriction because no US carrier flies to some unknown / suspect city.
Doubt it has ... glad I'm not traveling right now.
Doubt it has ... glad I'm not traveling right now.
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