Does an airline know if you've gone through security yet?
#1
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Does an airline know if you've gone through security yet?
I know you get your boarding pass scanned by tsa at the checkpoint, but is that information then sent to airlines so they know where you are in the boarding process?
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That's been the point of many of us for well over a decade. All of the security checks are mostly theater, especially the scribbles on boarding passes and the like. Security should be solely responsible for ensuring that no weapons make it into a terminal. The current system does a fairly poor job of that, but then layers a lot of other non-relevant stuff into the process. Boarding pass checks are one of them.
So, yes, you could book a ticket, check in, go through security, and then toss that ticket and do something else. Go meet your family and friends at the gate, like you used to, then call the airline, cancel your flight, and get a refund later. The government has seized your passport due to your upcoming trial? Get a fake one, go through airport security on a real domestic boarding pass with your real name on it, then throw it away, whip out your fake passport and boarding pass for the non-extradition country of your choice, and get on the plane to freedom.
So, yes, you could book a ticket, check in, go through security, and then toss that ticket and do something else. Go meet your family and friends at the gate, like you used to, then call the airline, cancel your flight, and get a refund later. The government has seized your passport due to your upcoming trial? Get a fake one, go through airport security on a real domestic boarding pass with your real name on it, then throw it away, whip out your fake passport and boarding pass for the non-extradition country of your choice, and get on the plane to freedom.
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I don't think it's a concern as long as passengers are screened properly. A terrorist isn't going to be able to harm the plane if they have no weapons. The ID and boarding pass really add little to security. The no fly list isn't being checked at the security checkpoint. It's pretty easy to modify the name on an online check in boarding pass with software.
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Does it matter if the airline knows or does not know if a person has cleared security. Isn't just being present in the sterile area a strong indication that the person has been screened?
What security function is accomplished by the TSA TDC?
Why couldn't an airline employee do that check before the person enters the security lines?
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I would suspect that the LHR terminals that enforce conformance might also give information to the airline about whether the person has gone through the conformance check or not.
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The real question is why does TSA even look at a persons boarding pass? Is it to make sure that the person is authorized to enter the sterile area if they clear screening or for some other made up reason?
Does it matter if the airline knows or does not know if a person has cleared security. Isn't just being present in the sterile area a strong indication that the person has been screened?
What security function is accomplished by the TSA TDC?
Why couldn't an airline employee do that check before the person enters the security lines?
Does it matter if the airline knows or does not know if a person has cleared security. Isn't just being present in the sterile area a strong indication that the person has been screened?
What security function is accomplished by the TSA TDC?
Why couldn't an airline employee do that check before the person enters the security lines?
1. Limits the # of people in the sterile area who need to be screened. If people could just wander through the checkpoint, there would need to be massively more stations.
2. A lot of the checks are done in the background. That's why cash-paid walk-up tickets may generate an "SSSS".
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The names weren't even remotely alike - the first name on the BP was DEXTER and he shares a first name with a former British monarch, so no - not even close! He literally didn't catch it until he was already on board and the FA didn't call him Mr. Pup7 when they asked to see his BP as he boarded.
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Two reasons:
1. Limits the # of people in the sterile area who need to be screened. If people could just wander through the checkpoint, there would need to be massively more stations.
2. A lot of the checks are done in the background. That's why cash-paid walk-up tickets may generate an "SSSS".
1. Limits the # of people in the sterile area who need to be screened. If people could just wander through the checkpoint, there would need to be massively more stations.
2. A lot of the checks are done in the background. That's why cash-paid walk-up tickets may generate an "SSSS".
As far as #2 I don't see why standard screening isn't adequate to determine if a person has threat items or not. Isn't the use of SSSS an acknowledgment that standard TSA screening is not sufficient to ensure a person has no contraband items?