ID checker asking questions - name, destination etc.
#151
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 360
The translation is, "You better be nice to me or I'm going to grab your wife's breasts and fondle your little boy's penis- oops, resistance. Respect by extortion. Consider yourself insulted. Now come and get me for the patdown, big boy.
#153
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 360
I would suggest that TSA has lost when it puts people in a position of authority that openly admits to using retaliation during screening.
Why don't you tell us which airport you work at so we can forward your comment to your FSD. I'm sure he would be proud of you.
edit to add:
betting Castro won't man up and say which airport?
Why don't you tell us which airport you work at so we can forward your comment to your FSD. I'm sure he would be proud of you.
edit to add:
betting Castro won't man up and say which airport?
#154
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 360
I have forwarded this thread, with castrobenes' threats highlighted, to the DHS IG, and suggest others do likewise. His and other self-asserted TSO's comments that are, at a minimum, outside the TSA policy for social media and may rise to threats made under color of authority should not be let slide.
Whether the IG will do their job is anybody's guess.
Whether the IG will do their job is anybody's guess.
#158
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 360
To make it even worse, or better, if you feel like a complete human being without the need for a blue uniform and a dinky badge, is that in any suit by an aggrieved passenger where the agency or TSO defends saying, "It's our SOP." Castro... has stated that it's not. And the whole issue makes their precious SSI discoverable. Of course the TSA can still refuse to disclose it but the appropriate sanction then becomes a default judgment against the defendants, so the TSA gets pounded financially, and the TSO ends up where he would have been anyway, in the absence of having a job groping citizens - broke and homeless.
#159
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: BOS and vicinity
Programs: Former UA 1P
Posts: 3,725
IMO, when I show up at the checkpoint, I have submitted myself and my property for screening. I will reluctantly allow you to grope me in a way that would be considered sexual assault in any other context other than a doctor's office or bedroom. I will allow you to x-ray my property, hand search my property, swab my property, and I will grudgingly tolerate searches that go somewhat beyond the bounds of screening for weapons, explosives, and incendiaries, which is TSA's statutory mandate. IMO that is more than enough "cooperation" to be able to exercise my right to freedom of movement, freedom of association, and freedom from being deprived of liberty or property without due process of law.
I am aware of no law or policy that requires me to speak to TSA or anyone else as a condition of travel, and courts have repeatedly ruled that silence alone cannot be grounds for suspicion.
#160
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DFW
Posts: 28,110
Please define "cooperating with the screening process" including the boundaries of "cooperation." E.g., if a TSO asks me to sing the second verse of The Star Spangled Banner, is doing so required for "cooperation?"
IMO, when I show up at the checkpoint, I have submitted myself and my property for screening. I will reluctantly allow you to grope me in a way that would be considered sexual assault in any other context other than a doctor's office or bedroom. I will allow you to x-ray my property, hand search my property, swab my property, and I will grudgingly tolerate searches that go somewhat beyond the bounds of screening for weapons, explosives, and incendiaries, which is TSA's statutory mandate. IMO that is more than enough "cooperation" to be able to exercise my right to freedom of movement, freedom of association, and freedom from being deprived of liberty or property without due process of law.
I am aware of no law or policy that requires me to speak to TSA or anyone else as a condition of travel, and courts have repeatedly ruled that silence alone cannot be grounds for suspicion.
IMO, when I show up at the checkpoint, I have submitted myself and my property for screening. I will reluctantly allow you to grope me in a way that would be considered sexual assault in any other context other than a doctor's office or bedroom. I will allow you to x-ray my property, hand search my property, swab my property, and I will grudgingly tolerate searches that go somewhat beyond the bounds of screening for weapons, explosives, and incendiaries, which is TSA's statutory mandate. IMO that is more than enough "cooperation" to be able to exercise my right to freedom of movement, freedom of association, and freedom from being deprived of liberty or property without due process of law.
I am aware of no law or policy that requires me to speak to TSA or anyone else as a condition of travel, and courts have repeatedly ruled that silence alone cannot be grounds for suspicion.
TSA can't even teach its people which ID's TSA claims are acceptable yet TSA gives these untrained people the ability to illegally interfere with a citizens right to travel.
The only viable answer in my opinion is to fire all current TSA employees and return airport/aircraft security to the owners of the facilities/aircraft.
#161
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: SJC
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 1,628
#162
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 642
This doesn't/wouldn't work overseas when defending this country, it shouldn't work for circus employees in this country.
#163
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: From ORK, live LCY
Programs: BA Silver, EI Silver, HH Gold, BW Gold, ABP, Seigneur des Horaires des Mucci
Posts: 14,214
#164
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SE Asia
Posts: 647
Bolding mine...
or an episode of Tourette's
Funny how, though not having Tourette's, it manifests itself when asked stupid questions by weight and mentally challenged morons in blue shirts and tin badges....
#165
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: LGB
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 390
I've taught my almost five-year old daughter that they're strangers and she shouldn't talk to them. You should see their faces when I they ask her what her name is, she ignores them, and I say, "she doesn't talk to strangers."