SFO International Terminal - asking you to confirm your last name
Mar 22, 2011, 10:21 am
#108
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What is the law in CA regarding recording video and sound? I am going to be there this week. I also know there is a "spy shop" near Fisherman's Wharf that should have the necessary equipment.
PS - I am not asking for Legal advice, just comments and/or links from fellow passengers who may know a bit more than I do regarding applicable laws.
PS - I am not asking for Legal advice, just comments and/or links from fellow passengers who may know a bit more than I do regarding applicable laws.
California, surprisingly, IS a two-party consent state. But, when I read the law, here is what they say about recording a conversation:
632. (a) Every person who, intentionally and without the consent of
all parties to a confidential communication, by means of any
electronic amplifying or recording device, eavesdrops upon or records
the confidential communication, whether the communication is carried
on among the parties in the presence of one another or by means of a
telegraph, telephone, or other device, except a radio, shall be
punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars
($2,500), or imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year,
or in the state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment. If the
person has previously been convicted of a violation of this section
or Section 631, 632.5, 632.6, 632.7, or 636, the person shall be
punished by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), by
imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year, or in the
state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
all parties to a confidential communication, by means of any
electronic amplifying or recording device, eavesdrops upon or records
the confidential communication, whether the communication is carried
on among the parties in the presence of one another or by means of a
telegraph, telephone, or other device, except a radio, shall be
punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars
($2,500), or imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year,
or in the state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment. If the
person has previously been convicted of a violation of this section
or Section 631, 632.5, 632.6, 632.7, or 636, the person shall be
punished by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), by
imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year, or in the
state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
(c) The term "confidential communication" includes any
communication carried on in circumstances as may reasonably indicate
that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the
parties thereto, but excludes a communication made in a public
gathering or in any legislative, judicial, executive or
administrative proceeding open to the public, or in any other
circumstance in which the parties to the communication may reasonably
expect that the communication may be overheard or recorded.
communication carried on in circumstances as may reasonably indicate
that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the
parties thereto, but excludes a communication made in a public
gathering or in any legislative, judicial, executive or
administrative proceeding open to the public, or in any other
circumstance in which the parties to the communication may reasonably
expect that the communication may be overheard or recorded.
This wouldn't deter me from recording the conversation for a nanosecond.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...0&file=630-638
Mar 22, 2011, 10:42 am
#110
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He, he, he, he. From the spelling, my last name is often pronounced in one of several ways by those who don't know me, none of which is correct. I would give them one of the incorrect versions and they would never know the difference. 
Mar 22, 2011, 11:01 am
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Bolding mine: <grrrrrr> The "last name issue" aside, a TSO is in a customer service environment just like a bank teller is and no matter how rude a pax/bank customer may be, the TSO/bank teller has to take it 
without lowering themselves to the other side by yelling, screaming and etc but the reverse is also true where a bank teller/TSO cannot be the "instigating rude party" (for lack of a better term) and in this situation, the TSO was flat out wrong and needs to be disciplined (and any supervisor who condones this action such as did the supv who arrived and was told "this smart a$$...." as any supervisor and/or manager worth their salt should have cut the TSO off saying something along the lines of "stop, you're out of line" and immediately apologize to the pax)
without lowering themselves to the other side by yelling, screaming and etc but the reverse is also true where a bank teller/TSO cannot be the "instigating rude party" (for lack of a better term) and in this situation, the TSO was flat out wrong and needs to be disciplined (and any supervisor who condones this action such as did the supv who arrived and was told "this smart a$$...." as any supervisor and/or manager worth their salt should have cut the TSO off saying something along the lines of "stop, you're out of line" and immediately apologize to the pax)
Mar 22, 2011, 11:37 am
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Tempting to bring a notepad and pen and claim larangytis.
Also, I have a fairly common last name and would be tempted to pronounce it in a really wacky manner claiming certain letters were either silent or pronounced in a different manner.
Also, I have a fairly common last name and would be tempted to pronounce it in a really wacky manner claiming certain letters were either silent or pronounced in a different manner.
Mar 22, 2011, 2:23 pm
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From my reading of the code referenced above, there is no consent required because of the definition of "confidential communication." Go for it without notifying him/her, unless you want to tell him/her for effect.
Mar 24, 2011, 8:01 am
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Except in very limited circumstances, the FSD may not unilaterally change the TSA SOP to make it more restrictive. For example:
4.3.19. EXERCISE OF FSD DISCRETION
Situations may arise which merit a temporary, short-term deviation from established security procedures. Where an articulable risk-based assessment supports a temporary deviation from such procedures, an FSD only (or the Acting FSD) has the authority to proceed as good judgment warrants.
A. An FSD (or Acting FSD) must be prepared to provide a well-reasoned justification for any deviation. For instance, where the presence at the checkpoint of an elected official or other trustworthy person of notoriety has the potential of creating a distraction that might lessen security, escort of the passenger and accompanying family members directly into the sterile area might be justified.
B. An FSD (or Acting FSD) should not exercise the discretion to deviate from established procedures where any doubt exists that aviation safety or national security might be compromised. Where such doubt exists, prior approval of the Area Director should be obtained.
Situations may arise which merit a temporary, short-term deviation from established security procedures. Where an articulable risk-based assessment supports a temporary deviation from such procedures, an FSD only (or the Acting FSD) has the authority to proceed as good judgment warrants.
A. An FSD (or Acting FSD) must be prepared to provide a well-reasoned justification for any deviation. For instance, where the presence at the checkpoint of an elected official or other trustworthy person of notoriety has the potential of creating a distraction that might lessen security, escort of the passenger and accompanying family members directly into the sterile area might be justified.
B. An FSD (or Acting FSD) should not exercise the discretion to deviate from established procedures where any doubt exists that aviation safety or national security might be compromised. Where such doubt exists, prior approval of the Area Director should be obtained.
Mar 24, 2011, 9:15 am
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They speak to them more slowly and loudly, as everyone knows that Japanese people understand English barkers. 
Last edited by stifle; Mar 24, 2011 at 9:26 am
Mar 24, 2011, 11:33 am
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