PV speaks out on Phil's case
Feb 18, 2011, 1:29 pm
#241
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As much as I would like to believe it to be true, how many brave folks will start to wilt when hit with thousands of dollars in administrative fines (which have a dubious appeal process?)
The framework is already in place. The ability to fine for rail events is already written into the enforcement policy. A few tweaks, and it is there.
How many people have read this document?
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/enforc...nce_policy.pdf
Feb 18, 2011, 2:53 pm
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Just curious. If the penalty for 'false threat' is $1-$2k, what is the penalty for a 'real' threat? How does a TSO determine whether a threat is 'false' or 'real'? Or is that a BDO determination? 
Feb 18, 2011, 3:03 pm
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I'm also curious how "threat" is defined. Is saying, "You're not following your SOP and I'm going to report you to your supervisor," a threat? How about, "I'll submit to your pat down because I need to fly today, but I'm reserving all of my rights under law,"? Or, as I once said in response to a threat from a TSO, "Not only do I want you to call a cop, I insist that you do. I'm not moving until you call one over,"?
Feb 18, 2011, 3:19 pm
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It can't be left to a TSO's discretion without objective standards -- that would render the regulation impermissibly vague.
I'm also curious how "threat" is defined. Is saying, "You're not following your SOP and I'm going to report you to your supervisor," a threat? How about, "I'll submit to your pat down because I need to fly today, but I'm reserving all of my rights under law,"? Or, as I once said in response to a threat from a TSO, "Not only do I want you to call a cop, I insist that you do. I'm not moving until you call one over,"?
I'm also curious how "threat" is defined. Is saying, "You're not following your SOP and I'm going to report you to your supervisor," a threat? How about, "I'll submit to your pat down because I need to fly today, but I'm reserving all of my rights under law,"? Or, as I once said in response to a threat from a TSO, "Not only do I want you to call a cop, I insist that you do. I'm not moving until you call one over,"?
I wonder if 'interfering with the screening process' also constitutes a threat?
Feb 19, 2011, 6:08 am
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You think so???
As much as I would like to believe it to be true, how many brave folks will start to wilt when hit with thousands of dollars in administrative fines (which have a dubious appeal process?)
The framework is already in place. The ability to fine for rail events is already written into the enforcement policy. A few tweaks, and it is there.
How many people have read this document?
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/enforc...nce_policy.pdf
As much as I would like to believe it to be true, how many brave folks will start to wilt when hit with thousands of dollars in administrative fines (which have a dubious appeal process?)
The framework is already in place. The ability to fine for rail events is already written into the enforcement policy. A few tweaks, and it is there.
How many people have read this document?
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/enforc...nce_policy.pdf
Interesting that no where on the list provided do I see a fine in the amount of $11,000 for failure to complete the screening process.
Feb 20, 2011, 12:11 am
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