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Nate Silver, NYT 538 blog, on The Hidden Costs of Extra Airport Security.
Finally, one should consider the implicit message that the full-body scans conveys to travelers. The explicit message is that the T.S.A. is doing everything in its power to keep us safe — something which might increase confidence in air travel. Many travelers, however, might read between the lines in the following way: the T.S.A. is making us go through all this rigmarole because otherwise air travel would be very, very dangerous; terrorists might be hiding explosives in their underpants! (Among other places.) One can draw an analogy, for instance, to the new security cameras that the city of Chicago has been installing: they are deliberately designed to be conspicuous, since the cameras are accompanied by extremely vibrant blue police lights — and they may well decrease crime. But they only appear in marginal neighborhoods that were susceptible to high crime rates to begin with. The explicit message is that the Chicago Police Department is doing what it can to keep everyone safe. The implicit message is that it is doing so because this is a really dangerous neighborhood — and perhaps you should be buying your condo, or planning your wedding reception, somewhere else.
How the new security procedures affect demand for air travel overall is hard to gauge. And of course, if they indeed prevent another terrorist attack, the upside would be quite significant, since few events would do more to reduce air travel than another 9/11.
How the new security procedures affect demand for air travel overall is hard to gauge. And of course, if they indeed prevent another terrorist attack, the upside would be quite significant, since few events would do more to reduce air travel than another 9/11.
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Only there is no lack of confidence in air travel. Planes do not fly empty-seated. TSA again imposes nasty solution to the "problem" which does not exist in the first place.
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Not an article but a video I found at Fedupflyers.org.
The entire 46 seconds of this old guy getting groped and molested by a smurf/clerk is disgusting, but watch the smurfs hand at the 7 second mark in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tu1Hjd19gk
The judge really rips TSA a new one^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXF-...ger_r2-2r-3-HM
The entire 46 seconds of this old guy getting groped and molested by a smurf/clerk is disgusting, but watch the smurfs hand at the 7 second mark in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tu1Hjd19gk
The judge really rips TSA a new one^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXF-...ger_r2-2r-3-HM
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An interesting column and protest letter
Link: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...the-tsa/66694/
Most resonant for me: (I)t's not realistic to expect the TSA to be self-limiting. It's our politicians' job to help set the liberty-versus-security balance, and it's time to turn up the pressure on them to do so. -- James Fallows
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Most resonant for me: (I)t's not realistic to expect the TSA to be self-limiting. It's our politicians' job to help set the liberty-versus-security balance, and it's time to turn up the pressure on them to do so. -- James Fallows
Caro
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What about jetway patdowns with minors? Wouldn't that be away from a parent/guardian, even if being accompanied to the gate? Or do they just not select them?
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Ages vary by airline, but minors can definitely go to the gate on their own. Airlines charge for unaccompanied minor service, so I am sure many parents don't feel the need to pay to have someone take their independent 16 year old to the gate.
What about jetway patdowns with minors? Wouldn't that be away from a parent/guardian, even if being accompanied to the gate? Or do they just not select them?
What about jetway patdowns with minors? Wouldn't that be away from a parent/guardian, even if being accompanied to the gate? Or do they just not select them?
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A leading conservative political columnist weighs in
Charles Krauthammer's column is satirical and withering. He's paraplegic as a result of a diving accident in his youth and no doubt has had his own unpleasant experiences at TSA check points.
Ah, the airport, where modern folk heroes are made. The airport, where that inspired flight attendant did what everyone who's ever been in the spam-in-a-can crush of a flying aluminum tube - where we collectively pretend that a clutch of peanuts is a meal and a seat cushion is a "flotation device" - has always dreamed of doing: pull the lever, blow the door, explode the chute, grab a beer, slide to the tarmac and walk through the gates to the sanity that lies beyond. Not since Rick and Louis disappeared into the Casablanca fog headed for the Free French garrison in Brazzaville has a stroll on the tarmac thrilled so many...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111804494.html
Ah, the airport, where modern folk heroes are made. The airport, where that inspired flight attendant did what everyone who's ever been in the spam-in-a-can crush of a flying aluminum tube - where we collectively pretend that a clutch of peanuts is a meal and a seat cushion is a "flotation device" - has always dreamed of doing: pull the lever, blow the door, explode the chute, grab a beer, slide to the tarmac and walk through the gates to the sanity that lies beyond. Not since Rick and Louis disappeared into the Casablanca fog headed for the Free French garrison in Brazzaville has a stroll on the tarmac thrilled so many...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111804494.html
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Slate: Does the TSA Ever Catch Terrorists?
Slate
Does the TSA Ever Catch Terrorists?
If they do, for some reason they won't admit it.
Shorter answer: No.
I want to commend the FlyerTalk community for helping bring this issue to a wider audience. The scans/gropes were even the first topic on E!'s Chelsea Lately show last night (she and the comedians on the show are not fans of the NoS machines and talked about how they could detect sanitary pads.)
P.S. I only fly a few times a year, but I want to be able to do that without my government stripping me and my wife down and/or feeling us up. So thank you for standing up for all of our rights!
Does the TSA Ever Catch Terrorists?
If they do, for some reason they won't admit it.
Shorter answer: No.
I want to commend the FlyerTalk community for helping bring this issue to a wider audience. The scans/gropes were even the first topic on E!'s Chelsea Lately show last night (she and the comedians on the show are not fans of the NoS machines and talked about how they could detect sanitary pads.)
P.S. I only fly a few times a year, but I want to be able to do that without my government stripping me and my wife down and/or feeling us up. So thank you for standing up for all of our rights!
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Editorial by The Washington Post -- this is the view of the paper, not a columnist. "The naked truth about scanners: They're necessary"
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111805727.html
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111805727.html
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Editorial by The Washington Post -- this is the view of the paper, not a columnist. "The naked truth about scanners: They're necessary"
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111805727.html
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111805727.html
But concerns over privacy should not trump the legitimate role of scanners in protecting the flying public...
But the government would be irresponsible not to employ all reasonable means - and all available technology - to protect the lives of innocent people.
This from the newspaper whose Watergate revelations helped lead us Children of The 60s toward our Never-Trust-The-Government mindset.
Oh well, that was then and this is now.
The title of this column in the Seattle Times summarizes the writer's point of view more than adequately:
Buck up, holiday air travelers, and be thankful for safety measures
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Hey there, RaginPlainsman - love that username. Welcome to FT!
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...s+feel+frisked
FTer quoted. Yay!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-..._b_785715.html
http://health.usnews.com/health-news...-scanners.html
http://chicago.gopride.com/news/arti...ting-turned-on
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...s+feel+frisked
Nashville fliers feel frisked
Travelers complain pat downs, scanners are far too intrusive
BY JENNY UPCHURCH • THE TENNESSEAN • NOVEMBER 19, 2010
Some travelers at the Nashville airport say new full-body scanners and security pat downs are something they can live with if it makes flying safer. But others are so outraged that they vow never to fly again. One Nashville woman who endured a pat down likened it to police frisking a criminal.
Travelers flying the day before Thanksgiving are being urged by civil liberties groups to refuse the scanners, a protest that could throw the busy day in the skies into chaos on the ground.
Travelers complain pat downs, scanners are far too intrusive
BY JENNY UPCHURCH • THE TENNESSEAN • NOVEMBER 19, 2010
Some travelers at the Nashville airport say new full-body scanners and security pat downs are something they can live with if it makes flying safer. But others are so outraged that they vow never to fly again. One Nashville woman who endured a pat down likened it to police frisking a criminal.
Travelers flying the day before Thanksgiving are being urged by civil liberties groups to refuse the scanners, a protest that could throw the busy day in the skies into chaos on the ground.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-..._b_785715.html
5 Tips for TSA from Their Government Peers
by Steve Ressler
Earlier this week, we posed the following challenge to members of GovLoop, a group of nearly 40,000 people who work in and around government:
Help TSA Out of This Mess! Share Your Ideas to Improve Travel Right Now!
As you might suspect with all the mainstream media coverage, this post has been our most popular over the past week as it has elicited over 80 comments to date. While we've seen some of the flagrant flaming of TSA that is typical of most forums across the Web, we have also been impressed with the number of thoughtful responses with constructive ideas for TSA. Since the community is mostly comprised of civil servants and private contractors who work alongside government, you might consider it something akin to a family intervention.
by Steve Ressler
Earlier this week, we posed the following challenge to members of GovLoop, a group of nearly 40,000 people who work in and around government:
Help TSA Out of This Mess! Share Your Ideas to Improve Travel Right Now!
As you might suspect with all the mainstream media coverage, this post has been our most popular over the past week as it has elicited over 80 comments to date. While we've seen some of the flagrant flaming of TSA that is typical of most forums across the Web, we have also been impressed with the number of thoughtful responses with constructive ideas for TSA. Since the community is mostly comprised of civil servants and private contractors who work alongside government, you might consider it something akin to a family intervention.
Like the UCSF scientists, Brenner adds that he'd like to see "more independent analyses of the radiation doses involved," since "there is fairly convincing evidence" that the FDA is underestimating the radiation dose delivered by these scans.
Anti-gay activist: gay TSA workers are ‘secretly getting turned on'
by GoPride.com News Staff
Wed. November 17, 2010 5:15:33 AM : 4 Comments - continue the discussion
Chicago, IL — The debate and uproar over airport full-body scans and pat-downs by the Transportation Security Administration continues to heat up, but one radical anti-gay activist has given the debate a new homophobic spin, saying gay TSA workers may become secretly "turned on" during a pat-down.
"Is it fair to travelers who may end up getting ‘groped' by homosexual TSA agents who are secretly getting turned on through the process," says Peter LaBarbera who heads the anti-gay group Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH), based in west suburban Naperville.
In a press released designed to garner attention for his anti-gay group, LaBarbera raises the concern of male travelers getting "groped" by Barney Frank and female travelers getting a lesbian pat-down from Ellen DeGeneres.
by GoPride.com News Staff
Wed. November 17, 2010 5:15:33 AM : 4 Comments - continue the discussion
Chicago, IL — The debate and uproar over airport full-body scans and pat-downs by the Transportation Security Administration continues to heat up, but one radical anti-gay activist has given the debate a new homophobic spin, saying gay TSA workers may become secretly "turned on" during a pat-down.
"Is it fair to travelers who may end up getting ‘groped' by homosexual TSA agents who are secretly getting turned on through the process," says Peter LaBarbera who heads the anti-gay group Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH), based in west suburban Naperville.
In a press released designed to garner attention for his anti-gay group, LaBarbera raises the concern of male travelers getting "groped" by Barney Frank and female travelers getting a lesbian pat-down from Ellen DeGeneres.
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Charles Krauthammer's column is satirical and withering. He's paraplegic as a result of a diving accident in his youth and no doubt has had his own unpleasant experiences at TSA check points.
Ah, the airport, where modern folk heroes are made. The airport, where that inspired flight attendant did what everyone who's ever been in the spam-in-a-can crush of a flying aluminum tube - where we collectively pretend that a clutch of peanuts is a meal and a seat cushion is a "flotation device" - has always dreamed of doing: pull the lever, blow the door, explode the chute, grab a beer, slide to the tarmac and walk through the gates to the sanity that lies beyond. Not since Rick and Louis disappeared into the Casablanca fog headed for the Free French garrison in Brazzaville has a stroll on the tarmac thrilled so many...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111804494.html
Ah, the airport, where modern folk heroes are made. The airport, where that inspired flight attendant did what everyone who's ever been in the spam-in-a-can crush of a flying aluminum tube - where we collectively pretend that a clutch of peanuts is a meal and a seat cushion is a "flotation device" - has always dreamed of doing: pull the lever, blow the door, explode the chute, grab a beer, slide to the tarmac and walk through the gates to the sanity that lies beyond. Not since Rick and Louis disappeared into the Casablanca fog headed for the Free French garrison in Brazzaville has a stroll on the tarmac thrilled so many...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111804494.html
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