ACLU quesitioning enhanced patdowns

Old Aug 22, 2010, 8:23 am
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ACLU quesitioning enhanced patdowns

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...html?tag=stack

The Boston Herald reports that Transportation Security Administration screeners at Logan International Airport are testing what one official called an "enhanced patdown." It lets screeners use a palms-forward, slide-down search procedure on passengers' bodies.

It replaces the old back-of-the-hand patdown for passengers who don't want to go through full-body scanning machines.

The TSA says the new procedure is also being tested at McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas before a national rollout.

The ACLU questions whether the new technique is effective enough to justify what it calls a "seemingly constant erosion of privacy."
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 8:29 am
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"So people unable to lift their arms above their heads have to let some stranger feel them up. Or stay at home. This is disgusting."

Good comment. ^

The scumbags "in charge" of TSA who keep up the assault on civil liberties and privacy should be caned and sent to prison.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 10:38 am
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Another news article about the new gropes:
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1707423.shtml?cat=1
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 11:16 am
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This begs the question: How soon will we quit flying? Probably after my wife complains about being fondled. It appears that we have reached the point in this country where exercising our freedom to travel will require either a strip search (w/ unknown levels of radiation) or a sexual assault.

Keep in mind that we've been traveling 2-5 times monthly. These alternatives are NOT something that we are going to put up with 4-10 times (or more when customs & terminal changes are involved) monthly.

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Old Aug 22, 2010, 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
"So people unable to lift their arms above their heads have to let some stranger feel them up. Or stay at home. This is disgusting."

Good comment. ^

The scumbags "in charge" of TSA who keep up the assault on civil liberties and privacy should be caned and sent to prison.
Perhaps this person is an FTer! We just need more of these comments. Who knows what we'll be able to do!!
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 12:50 pm
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a comment from the CBS report

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Better a brush of the hand than a brush with death. The ACLU should be investigated and put on the do not list.
With odds of 1/17,000,00 for a brush with death, the "anything for safety" folks don't have much of a grip on reality.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
"So people unable to lift their arms above their heads have to let some stranger feel them up. Or stay at home. This is disgusting."

Good comment. ^

The scumbags "in charge" of TSA who keep up the assault on civil liberties and privacy should be caned and sent to prison.
+1 this is never ending until people stop flying.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 1:13 pm
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Originally Posted by coachrowsey
+1 this is never ending until people stop flying.
Granted, that would do the trick.

The question is how to get a large percentage of the flying public to stop flying.

How much of a drop in passengers, ticket revenue, car rental and hospitality losses would tip the scales?

The resistance by the security proponents and their attempt at spin would be serious, and would need to be countered by a clear, articulate campaign.

Perhaps an internet based, distributed campaign so well orchestrated that countering it would be impossible.

Maybe focusing on one airline, then a second one, would help.
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Another example of why the TSA has became a Circus.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by IslandBased
Granted, that would do the trick.

The question is how to get a large percentage of the flying public to stop flying.

How much of a drop in passengers, ticket revenue, car rental and hospitality losses would tip the scales?

The resistance by the security proponents and their attempt at spin would be serious, and would need to be countered by a clear, articulate campaign.

Perhaps an internet based, distributed campaign so well orchestrated that countering it would be impossible.

Maybe focusing on one airline, then a second one, would help.
The focus should be on passengers in the line going up to the security checkpoint, and there engaging in passenger-to-passenger communication via a flyer/leaflet/pamphlet which is critical of the TSA dog and pony show.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 1:38 pm
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The washingtonpost has the same article ... this is retaliatory BS for those refusing the scan. I am sorry to say that Amtrak continues to be more attractive than flying on most days Another sad period in US History thanks to DHS/TSA
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 2:04 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
The focus should be on passengers in the line going up to the security checkpoint, and there engaging in passenger-to-passenger communication via a flyer/leaflet/pamphlet which is critical of the TSA dog and pony show.
Educating the public certainly will be important.

People are only going to stop flying if there is a good reason.

As the check point experience becomes more intrusive, there may be more incentive to find other modes of travel or use communication instead. Making those alternatives more attractive would be another factor. Tying current TSA trends to the downside is a necessity.

It would take a constant campaign with several prongs- disputing the need for intrusive searches, providing reasonable alternatives, and putting economic pressure on the whole travel industry to lobby for a new, more viable security solution.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeMpls
This begs the question: How soon will be quit flying? Probably after my wife complains about being fondled.
If your wife feels that she's been "fondled", call a cop and press sexual assault charges. Let's see how a TSO gets to keep his job once he's on the Level 1 list.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 2:46 pm
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One way to bring more attention to "enhanced pat downs" might be for the media to use the words "genitals", "crotch" and "breasts" rather than "sensitive areas" when describing an "enhanced pat down." Tell it like it is.

Another might be for anyone here who has opted out and taken the pat down, especially if it has been an aggressive pat down, to comment on any internet articles describing the pat down received.

Just a couple of thoughts.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 3:07 pm
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I think I might have gotten a rub down intead of a pat down a few weeks ago.
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