TSA opening luagge- no notice?
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Waste of bandwidth and poor netiquette, IMO. If one wishes to read the whole quoted post, they may do so by clicking on the appropriate icon. Beyond that, if you feel there is a TOS violation, click on the red and white triangle icon to report it.
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I went through INV airport last year. I know it's a small airport, but the checked bag checkers made PA announcements in the departure lounge for pax whose bags they wanted to check. That meant the pax were present whilst the bags were being examined.
I appreciate that's easier in a small airport (and I've never seen it done anywhere else), but it strikes me as being at least transparent as a process.
I appreciate that's easier in a small airport (and I've never seen it done anywhere else), but it strikes me as being at least transparent as a process.
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The TSA goes through luggage and sometimes the airline employees go through luggage (to supplement their income). Its equal opportunity stealing opportunities at the airport nowadays.
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At MKE, the Notice of Baggage Inspection has a time/date stamp on it along with the initials of the TSO who searched the bag.
As for bag searches, anyone who locks their bag can and should wait for their bag to clear the EDS. Of course, this is only possible in airports with stand-alone EDS configurations, not airports where there is an in-line system in place.
FYI on SFO, it sucks. Just read about it in the many threads here. Ask most people who fly and they will take OAK over SFO anytime.
As for bag searches, anyone who locks their bag can and should wait for their bag to clear the EDS. Of course, this is only possible in airports with stand-alone EDS configurations, not airports where there is an in-line system in place.
FYI on SFO, it sucks. Just read about it in the many threads here. Ask most people who fly and they will take OAK over SFO anytime.
Would this be standardized at all airports serviced by TSA and TSA contractors or does each airport set rules for that facility?
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Well, if a TSO can bring a gun to work, get caught, get a minor slap on the wrist, then head back to the same damn job he was doing before bringing the gun to work...
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I'm not going to get an anxiety attack if you don't quote the entire statement.
"What is the penalty, if any, for TSA employees who are inspecting checked baggage if they fail to insert the Notice of Baggage Inspection form?
Would this be standardized at all airports serviced by TSA and TSA contractors or does each airport set rules for that facility?"
Would this be standardized at all airports serviced by TSA and TSA contractors or does each airport set rules for that facility?"
Regarding your 2nd paragraph, airports are all different in size and configuration, along with their baggage systems. If you are referring to bag searches, and pax being present while the bag is searched, that is only possible in airports with stand-alone EDS configurations. Those would be the CAT 1-4 airports(size larger to smaller). Some CAT 1's, along with all CAT X's(the largest size airport), have inline EDS configurations as they are more efficient and process more bags faster than stand-alone EDS configurations. However, because the inline system is not located in a public area, it is not possible for a pax to be present while the bag is searched. If you are referring to the NOBI, I could not say. I only know that MKE does use the NOBI. I don't want to extrapolate MKE's use of the NOBI to all airports, though, I doubt MKE is unique.
Perhaps, until one is caught doing it. Then it's all downhill from there, especially if you are convicted. With the economy the way it is, a conviction might make your last job the last one you ever have.
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Regarding your 1st paragraph, would not know that. First off, someone in authority would have to observe a TSO not do it, then report it, then either review it on CCTV surveillance or recall the bag to check, before any action could be taken. Second, it's very possible that a TSO would forget to insert one as they are not perfect and everyone makes mistakes. Third, if it's a bad TSO, and they are stealing from the bag, I doubt they would insert a NOBI.
Regarding your 2nd paragraph, airports are all different in size and configuration, along with their baggage systems. If you are referring to bag searches, and pax being present while the bag is searched, that is only possible in airports with stand-alone EDS configurations. Those would be the CAT 1-4 airports(size larger to smaller). Some CAT 1's, along with all CAT X's(the largest size airport), have inline EDS configurations as they are more efficient and process more bags faster than stand-alone EDS configurations. However, because the inline system is not located in a public area, it is not possible for a pax to be present while the bag is searched. If you are referring to the NOBI, I could not say. I only know that MKE does use the NOBI. I don't want to extrapolate MKE's use of the NOBI to all airports, though, I doubt MKE is unique.
Regarding your 2nd paragraph, airports are all different in size and configuration, along with their baggage systems. If you are referring to bag searches, and pax being present while the bag is searched, that is only possible in airports with stand-alone EDS configurations. Those would be the CAT 1-4 airports(size larger to smaller). Some CAT 1's, along with all CAT X's(the largest size airport), have inline EDS configurations as they are more efficient and process more bags faster than stand-alone EDS configurations. However, because the inline system is not located in a public area, it is not possible for a pax to be present while the bag is searched. If you are referring to the NOBI, I could not say. I only know that MKE does use the NOBI. I don't want to extrapolate MKE's use of the NOBI to all airports, though, I doubt MKE is unique.
How could a highly trained TSA employee just forget to do their assigned job?
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Sometimes the TSA asks some passengers for the combination/keys on "TSA locks" because the TSA had supposedly lost the tools to open those locks or their access tools had supposedly been "broken" and thus tossed. I'm betting some of those government-paid for items are being used to enable criminal activity by the TSA and others.
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TSA Love letters
If you were flying through LAX or ATL, I probably got one of yours.
I am sorry you didn't get yours
My bag was delayed overnight and arrived with FOUR notices in it. (after two flight segments)
Would it make sense to have a tag\notice outside the bag, or scan & track the bag tag so they know if it was inspected or how many times ?
I am sorry you didn't get yours
My bag was delayed overnight and arrived with FOUR notices in it. (after two flight segments)
Would it make sense to have a tag\notice outside the bag, or scan & track the bag tag so they know if it was inspected or how many times ?
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Are you that perfect that you never make a mistake? I've made plenty in my lifetime, both on and off the job. Some were comical(to anyone else watching them and to me later on once I cooled down), some were deadly serious. I learned from both types but there are so many one can make in a lifetime that you will never be prepared for all of them.
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Are you that perfect that you never make a mistake? I've made plenty in my lifetime, both on and off the job. Some were comical(to anyone else watching them and to me later on once I cooled down), some were deadly serious. I learned from both types but there are so many one can make in a lifetime that you will never be prepared for all of them.
Is it really that hard to teach TSA employees to place a piece of paper in a screened bag when conducting screening? Apparently from this discussion it seems it is!
Not surprising but points to the underlying problem with TSA.
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"Not placing the Inspection Notice in a bag covers up possible theft at the hands of TSA screeners.
Is it really that hard to teach TSA employees to place a piece of paper in a screened bag when conducting screening? Apparently from this discussion it seems it is!
Not surprising but points to the underlying problem with TSA."
Is it really that hard to teach TSA employees to place a piece of paper in a screened bag when conducting screening? Apparently from this discussion it seems it is!
Not surprising but points to the underlying problem with TSA."
Regarding your 2nd paragraph, already covered this. Human beings are not perfect and make mistakes.
Regarding your 3rd paragraph, if it was an underlying problem with TSA then, due to their numbers, we would have hundreds to thousands of incidents per day being reported here on this forum. In this case, it has not been established who opened the luggage. You are speculating that it is the TSA but that is an assumption on your part, not fact.
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I don't think it's a big deal within the USA. (Still evil. Still wrong. Still stupid. But not a big deal in practice.) Some pilfering may occur, but it's very rare.
However, for international travellers, the situation is awful. If you are flying from the USA to, say, India, and the TSA opens your bag, it arrives there as an open invitation to thieves. If items are stolen (and I know people this has happened to), the airline (and insurance, if any) will deny all responsibility because the bag wasn't locked and the TSA will deny all responsibility because they didn't actually do the stealing!
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Without the notice of inspection TSA has an easy out saying TSA employees are not responsible for a missing item. I agree it does not prove TSA employees are stealing items from baggage but it certainly makes it appear that TSA employees are doing so.
I don't think this answers in any way why TSA employees would have difficulty with such a simple task requiring the employee to place a notice inside of inspected luggage. Is it a matter of incompetence, lack of training or just knowing no penalty will result for not performing the job correctly?
And I ask again, what penalty if any results from a TSA employee failing to place an Inspection Notice is checked baggage?
Since TSA took over airport screenings luggage theft has risen. Why do you suppose that is?
Regarding your 1st paragraph, it doesn't cover up anything nor does it prove a TSO committed theft. Like I stated previously, it must be witnessed and corroborated with a video surveillance recording or with circumstantial evidence like the stolen items were found in possession of the TSO.
Regarding your 2nd paragraph, already covered this. Human beings are not perfect and make mistakes.
And I ask again, what penalty if any results from a TSA employee failing to place an Inspection Notice is checked baggage?
Regarding your 3rd paragraph, if it was an underlying problem with TSA then, due to their numbers, we would have hundreds to thousands of incidents per day being reported here on this forum. In this case, it has not been established who opened the luggage. You are speculating that it is the TSA but that is an assumption on your part, not fact.