New TSA security measures in the aftermath of the NW AMS/DTW flight
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I believe that the rational, 100% secure response is to immediately begin deploying BDOs overseas. They would have caught this guy, no question. Of course we will want US BDOs since we obviously can't trust foreigners. We will just start shipping them off to AMS, CDG, LON,... Of course we will have to pay their housing and other costs while on assignment, so TSA is going to need a few billion more dollars.
The "final hour" rule is especially hilarious. Ok, fine, The Bad Man will just blow up his stuff before then.
I'd like to see the TSA try and enforce my not having a magazine on my lap. I'd also like to see the TSA explain that passengers on one hour domestic flights may not get up at all.
Pure and simple overreaction. Go TSA!
I'd like to see the TSA try and enforce my not having a magazine on my lap. I'd also like to see the TSA explain that passengers on one hour domestic flights may not get up at all.
Pure and simple overreaction. Go TSA!
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The terrorists have watched the reaction of the USG and they know that a simple, non-fatal incident like Reid or this guy are enough to cause millions of passengers to be disrupted and hundreds of millions of dollars of damage to the US airlines and economy.
Not a single death, only one low-level operative arrested, and a huge reaction.
Very, very high ROI..... and this kind of stuff will continue until the US gets serious about managing risk as opposed to the knee-jerk attempts at risk elimination.
Not a single death, only one low-level operative arrested, and a huge reaction.
Very, very high ROI..... and this kind of stuff will continue until the US gets serious about managing risk as opposed to the knee-jerk attempts at risk elimination.
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The terrorists have watched the reaction of the USG and they know that a simple, non-fatal incident like Reid or this guy are enough to cause millions of passengers to be disrupted and hundreds of millions of dollars of damage to the US airlines and economy.
Not a single death, only one low-level operative arrested, and a huge reaction.
Very, very high ROI..... and this kind of stuff will continue until the US gets serious about managing risk as opposed to the knee-jerk attempts at risk elimination.
Not a single death, only one low-level operative arrested, and a huge reaction.
Very, very high ROI..... and this kind of stuff will continue until the US gets serious about managing risk as opposed to the knee-jerk attempts at risk elimination.
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Hold your horses. There's no confirmation yet from TSA. For all we know, Air Canada could have made that part up.
I still am holding firmly on the fact that I strongly doubt TSA will enact any new policies. Why? This was an international flight that happened to land in Detroit. TSA had nothing, zilch to do with the screening. Therefore, they have no say about this.
I still am holding firmly on the fact that I strongly doubt TSA will enact any new policies. Why? This was an international flight that happened to land in Detroit. TSA had nothing, zilch to do with the screening. Therefore, they have no say about this.
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This is just unreal, especially if it also applies to US domestic flights. I always travel with two laptop bags, one for each of my computers, and if a new "one bag only" policy is enacted... maybe I'll move all my international travel across the border to Canada and see if AC will do a status match for me to fly from YVR.
In other news, I guess I should probably change my seat assignments from the bulkhead for my upcoming flights so I can keep my luggage under the seat in front of me. Uggggggh.
In other news, I guess I should probably change my seat assignments from the bulkhead for my upcoming flights so I can keep my luggage under the seat in front of me. Uggggggh.
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The terrorists have watched the reaction of the USG and they know that a simple, non-fatal incident like Reid or this guy are enough to cause millions of passengers to be disrupted and hundreds of millions of dollars of damage to the US airlines and economy.
Not a single death, only one low-level operative arrested, and a huge reaction.
Very, very high ROI..... and this kind of stuff will continue until the US gets serious about managing risk as opposed to the knee-jerk attempts at risk elimination.
Not a single death, only one low-level operative arrested, and a huge reaction.
Very, very high ROI..... and this kind of stuff will continue until the US gets serious about managing risk as opposed to the knee-jerk attempts at risk elimination.
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DFW TSA is reported (got a PM from a friend) to be confiscating legal size but generic containers of liquids and gels today. If you have a hotel or brand bottle of shampoo under 3 oz, it seems to be allowed; your own in an REI plastic bottle, for example, into the trash it goes.
This is, among other things, slowing down security procedures.
Looks like Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab's name will go into the history books with Richard Reid's - brainwashed but dim bulb whack job who got caught (and in this instance, apparently got severe third degree burns for a homebrew incendiary mix that merely caused him grief and a passenger pile-on.) But I do predict his effects on the average air passenger have the potential to be lasting, like Richard Reid's, as well. (Why couldn't someone substitute their Neutrogena or La Source shampoo with another, more noxious substance?)
Some sources report Abdul was on a watch list - whoops, looks like maybe that was the first screwup, as well as AMS security not managing to find the packet of powder taped to Abdul's leg, nor the liquid he added to it, nor the syringe he may have used to add it. (But, human behavioral screening a la El Al is considered to be too expensive; maybe they will just have us all fly naked in flex cuffs - that will give an entirely new flavor to security and gate screening, and is somewhat more restrictive, but it may be faster and hey, it's for security, right? )
This is, among other things, slowing down security procedures.
Looks like Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab's name will go into the history books with Richard Reid's - brainwashed but dim bulb whack job who got caught (and in this instance, apparently got severe third degree burns for a homebrew incendiary mix that merely caused him grief and a passenger pile-on.) But I do predict his effects on the average air passenger have the potential to be lasting, like Richard Reid's, as well. (Why couldn't someone substitute their Neutrogena or La Source shampoo with another, more noxious substance?)
Some sources report Abdul was on a watch list - whoops, looks like maybe that was the first screwup, as well as AMS security not managing to find the packet of powder taped to Abdul's leg, nor the liquid he added to it, nor the syringe he may have used to add it. (But, human behavioral screening a la El Al is considered to be too expensive; maybe they will just have us all fly naked in flex cuffs - that will give an entirely new flavor to security and gate screening, and is somewhat more restrictive, but it may be faster and hey, it's for security, right? )
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So for the last hour of an international flight, the passengers and kids will have to stay seated and not be allowed to use the rest rooms! That should be interesting. I wonder how that will work out?
Let's punish the masses for the action of one whackjob from Nigeria!
Let's punish the masses for the action of one whackjob from Nigeria!
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At the very least, we need to be prepared to survive with One Bag and no more than that. The airlines have been looking for a way to force more people to check baggage. This is the excuse!
Gate screening will mean a reduction in airport shopping for the things we can't take through the TSA checkpoint. I hate that!
It will hurt airport merchants and make our lives less comfortable.
Gate screening will mean a reduction in airport shopping for the things we can't take through the TSA checkpoint. I hate that!
It will hurt airport merchants and make our lives less comfortable.
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I believe that the rational, 100% secure response is to immediately begin deploying BDOs overseas. They would have caught this guy, no question. Of course we will want US BDOs since we obviously can't trust foreigners. We will just start shipping them off to AMS, CDG, LON,... Of course we will have to pay their housing and other costs while on assignment, so TSA is going to need a few billion more dollars.
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As a mileage runner, this is BAD. Will the US airlines join with AC and waive their international bag fees, or will it be one big money grab? I'm already rethinking my international journies in the next year.
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New rules imposed by the U.S. Transportation Security Administration also limit on-board activities by customers and crew in U.S. airspace that may adversely impact on-board service. Among other things, during the final hour of flight customers must remain seated, will not be allowed to access carry-on baggage, or have personal belongings or other items on their laps.
1. The Lagos Leg Bomber was seated during the last hour of flight. How is requiring this going to improve safety?
2. The Lagos Loonie has said he wanted to boom over US territory. All the next jihad wannabee needs to do is book NW 257 instead of NW 253. No matter what routing, AMS-MEM is over the US for at least two hours prior to landing. A whole one hour window to boom before the required sit down. Does anyone at TSA ever read airline route schedules? How about CO 33 CDG-IAH? Three hours over the US mainland. Oh my.
3. They better put urinals at each seat. A pax who has been sleeping for 6 hours TATL wakes up too late to visit the lav. One hour plus taxi plus the long run to immigration plus 30 min in the passport line = lots of yellow puddles on the floor, all of them over 3.4 ounces.
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What about the medical equipment exception? Checked luggage fees?
Can anyone yet confirm if the new one-bag rule means that you cannot have a separate bag for your medical equipment? Will Airlines waive the checked-luggage fee for a second bag for travelers currently away?
There's been a similar rule for photographers' equipment--any news on that as well? I know one semi-pro photographers who often travels with several thousand dollars in large lenses: I can only imagine trying to keep those safe from thieves and damage within checked luggage.
My usual on-board luggage (when also having checked) is two small soft bags, one that goes under the seat, and one overhead. This new rule implies I should get one bag that's right at the max size.
There's been a similar rule for photographers' equipment--any news on that as well? I know one semi-pro photographers who often travels with several thousand dollars in large lenses: I can only imagine trying to keep those safe from thieves and damage within checked luggage.
My usual on-board luggage (when also having checked) is two small soft bags, one that goes under the seat, and one overhead. This new rule implies I should get one bag that's right at the max size.