Pax lights fireworks on NW AMS-DTW flight
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Hence the Behavior Detection Officers. But here at FT, if you read much here, they are "totally ineffectual", "a waste of taxpayer dollars", or "security theater".
In this forum, TSA just cannot win, no matter the measures it tries. Fair is not a word 99% of those posting here comprehend, but they sure can abuse it.
In this forum, TSA just cannot win, no matter the measures it tries. Fair is not a word 99% of those posting here comprehend, but they sure can abuse it.
If you want to "win" in these forums then the TSA needs to concentrate on their job. Stopping guns, knives, and explosives from getting on planes and forget the James Bond fantasies.
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".. New regs given to Finnair also say: no internet, no satphone calls, no P/A announcements from the flight deck about where the aircraft happens to be flying while in US airspace, and obviously no moving map displays either. Whats next? No in-flight entertainment at all unless unwanted functions can be disabled?"
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The no map thing was confirmed by a UA flier this morning doing ICN-SFO. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...s-feature.html
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Since you brought it up, again, Ron, please describe the one measure the TSA, & just the TSA, has taken that, had it been in place on 9/10/01 would have prevented those hijackings?
#156
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Which is why the TSA should stick to luggage and let the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, and other similar agencies who have the training and mandate to deal with stopping bad people.
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The 9/11 will never happen again because of the changed passenger reactions to hijacking. And as the shoe bomb and this new incident show, the passengers are quite efficient at that. How many bombs has the TSA caught at the checkpoint over these years?
Let's assume every passenger will have to arrive at the airport one hour earlier because of the new "security" measures. If we assume a life expectancy of 80 years, it will be 701280 hours. So one million passengers delayed by one hour is equivalent to at least one passenger being killed. You have to balance the lives saved by security measures against lives wasted in the airport queues.
Also focus on people, not objects. Saudi Arabia sponsors lots of Muslim schools all over the world which are rumored to produce terrorists. Why isn't the US sponsoring a network of similar schools promoting more peaceful versions of Islam? This would cost a lot less than the stupid war in Iraq cost. Fight the enemy with its own means.
It is sick that after every act of terrorism, I am scared not of terrorists killing me, but of the government making my life miserable with unnecessary security precautions.
Basically do the same thing the London Underground did after bombings:
We were very conscious of the fact that getting the system running was the thing that would make the system safest in that, if we didn't reward people with chaos, they would likely leave us alone
#158
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1. Air crew no longer agrees to follow terrorists orders.
2. Cockpit doors are reinforced.
3. Passengers and crew fight back.
4. Pilots turn airplane into vomit comet.
5. No knives/box cutters on airplanes......Oh wait they shouldn't have been able to bring those onto the airplane on 9/10/01
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Hence the Behavior Detection Officers. But here at FT, if you read much here, they are "totally ineffectual", "a waste of taxpayer dollars", or "security theater".
In this forum, TSA just cannot win, no matter the measures it tries. “Fair” is not a word 99% of those posting here comprehend, but they sure can abuse it.
In this forum, TSA just cannot win, no matter the measures it tries. “Fair” is not a word 99% of those posting here comprehend, but they sure can abuse it.
You can tell a lot about someone's attitude and state of mind by observing their body language. Of course if you're in a rush you can just stereotype, it's faster.
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No time to read this entire thread, but wanted to point out something in an AP article that shows me the real agenda at work here (emphasis mine):
"King, the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said no federal air marshals were on the flights from Nigeria to Amsterdam and from Amsterdam to Detroit. Mutallab did not go through full-body image screening at either airport, the congressman said."
Anyone doubt the powers that be will use this in a push to have strip search the primary screening at every checkpoint in every airport?
"King, the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said no federal air marshals were on the flights from Nigeria to Amsterdam and from Amsterdam to Detroit. Mutallab did not go through full-body image screening at either airport, the congressman said."
Anyone doubt the powers that be will use this in a push to have strip search the primary screening at every checkpoint in every airport?
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No time to read this entire thread, but wanted to point out something in an AP article that shows me the real agenda at work here (emphasis mine):
"King, the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said no federal air marshals were on the flights from Nigeria to Amsterdam and from Amsterdam to Detroit. Mutallab did not go through full-body image screening at either airport, the congressman said."
Anyone doubt the powers that be will use this in a push to have strip search the primary screening at every checkpoint in every airport?
"King, the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said no federal air marshals were on the flights from Nigeria to Amsterdam and from Amsterdam to Detroit. Mutallab did not go through full-body image screening at either airport, the congressman said."
Anyone doubt the powers that be will use this in a push to have strip search the primary screening at every checkpoint in every airport?
Peter King is a horse's patoot....
Last edited by doober; Dec 26, 2009 at 11:24 am Reason: just had to add my thoughts about King
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I would bet that a lot of these random rules that were put in place immediately after this incident will be changed/standardized over the next week or so. And I doubt that they'll be as ridiculous as the ones that have been mentioned here that some airlines have apparently implenented (like no access to personal items or getting out of your seat for the last hr of the flight).
It's a shame that airlines that implemented the "1 carry on" rule still insist on gouging customers by requiring them to pay to check any extra bags they may have. With absolutely zero time for travellers to prepare for this, they should be waiving these fees.
It's a shame that airlines that implemented the "1 carry on" rule still insist on gouging customers by requiring them to pay to check any extra bags they may have. With absolutely zero time for travellers to prepare for this, they should be waiving these fees.