SOP discussion
Dec 6, 2009, 10:19 pm
#91
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Dec 6, 2009, 10:22 pm
#92
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I agree with others, carry a copy in your carry-on. If you really want to bring attention to it, carry it in a binder with tin-foil in the cover pages...
Dec 6, 2009, 10:30 pm
#93
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And I wonder, considering there is now a recently revised management sop dated 2009,was the release of this info a mistake?
Dec 6, 2009, 10:31 pm
#94
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Dec 6, 2009, 10:33 pm
#95
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TSA Menus:
Breakfast
Special of the Day: Goat, scape with hash browns, coffee and toast.
Lunch
Special of the Day: Goat, scape with pickles, special sauce and french fries. Have it your way.
Dec 6, 2009, 10:38 pm
#96
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This is kind of funny. This is the management SOP. Casually reading through it I see that many parts are out if date, but some parts seemingly are not. But if you notice, this sop refers to screening sop and baggage sop various times, which actually describe the screening procedures used to screen you, the pax.
And I wonder, considering there is now a recently revised management sop dated 2009,was the release of this info a mistake?
And I wonder, considering there is now a recently revised management sop dated 2009,was the release of this info a mistake?
Dec 6, 2009, 10:46 pm
#97
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+1. Not only pulled, but pulled on a Sunday, after any kind of regular hours, by a gov't employee...
I'm always amused too by someone thinking pulling it will make it all go away. How many of us have copies and how many have published it on other sites already?
I'm always amused too by someone thinking pulling it will make it all go away. How many of us have copies and how many have published it on other sites already?
Dec 6, 2009, 10:47 pm
#98
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Not only was it pulled on a Sunday, after hours, but the web site belongs to Commerce, not DHS. FBO is federal business opportunities web site.
Last edited by greentips; Dec 6, 2009 at 10:54 pm Reason: redundant or maybe not.
Dec 6, 2009, 10:48 pm
#99
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Who knows? I read through all the pages, it isn't that long. It's some what outdated. Many sections have been changed in the current management sop. There are even new sections in the new management sop.
But just because it's no longer valid - mostly - do you really think the higher-ups at TSA want it post online? It was actual valid sop only recently.
But just because it's no longer valid - mostly - do you really think the higher-ups at TSA want it post online? It was actual valid sop only recently.
Dec 6, 2009, 10:51 pm
#100
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Like the part where the supervisor is responsible for making sure signage is correctly displayed? 
I believe the bigger scandal is that many of the so-called SSI sections that were (clumsily) blacked out are really pedestrian. See post #3 for example. No one doubts that there are some things that need to be kept secret, but if these represent TSA's standard of "secret information", it's pretty lame. And I doubt that's changed significantly since the date of this document.
I believe the bigger scandal is that many of the so-called SSI sections that were (clumsily) blacked out are really pedestrian. See post #3 for example. No one doubts that there are some things that need to be kept secret, but if these represent TSA's standard of "secret information", it's pretty lame. And I doubt that's changed significantly since the date of this document.
Dec 6, 2009, 10:51 pm
#101
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Who knows? I read through all the pages, it isn't that long. It's some what outdated. Many sections have been changed in the current management sop. There are even new sections in the new management sop.
But just because it's no longer valid - mostly - do you really think the higher-ups at TSA want it post online? It was actual valid sop only recently.
But just because it's no longer valid - mostly - do you really think the higher-ups at TSA want it post online? It was actual valid sop only recently.
Dec 6, 2009, 10:52 pm
#102
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Just to let you know, TSA has employees working 24 hours a day, even in offices. My airport closes for around 6 to 8 hours a night, depending in the terminal, yet we have employees working every night. I know for a fact DHS HQ and TSA HQ have some of their offices open 24/7 every day, no holidays.
Dec 6, 2009, 10:57 pm
#103
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No not at odds. It is very possible someone made the decision and post it, and one of their supervisors said "nope" and had it pulled. People get over ridden all the time.
It's also interesting this doesn't really give away any "procedures". Look up the section on unpredictible screening, read it. Now can you telly me what the process is? So if you have this document and were randomingly selected, how would you know if it was really random and not retaliation, as is a concern here on this site.
It's also interesting this doesn't really give away any "procedures". Look up the section on unpredictible screening, read it. Now can you telly me what the process is? So if you have this document and were randomingly selected, how would you know if it was really random and not retaliation, as is a concern here on this site.
Dec 6, 2009, 10:58 pm
#104
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Just to let you know, TSA has employees working 24 hours a day, even in offices. My airport closes for around 6 to 8 hours a night, depending in the terminal, yet we have employees working every night. I know for a fact DHS HQ and TSA HQ have some of their offices open 24/7 every day, no holidays.
Dec 6, 2009, 11:00 pm
#105
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Just to let you know, TSA has employees working 24 hours a day, even in offices. My airport closes for around 6 to 8 hours a night, depending in the terminal, yet we have employees working every night. I know for a fact DHS HQ and TSA HQ have some of their offices open 24/7 every day, no holidays.
And RadioGirl, you have identified the crux of the problem. They classify as SSI stuff found in any barnyard, then feed it to us and make us eat it to get on an airplane.