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Old Jul 4, 07, 12:21 pm   #16
 
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However, seems to me we ought to be scrutinizing foreign Muslims,...
Perhaps we are. Googling the name comes up with the CAIR link and just this one other:
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6.2 xxxxxxx, 13 xxxxxxxx Road, Moseley, Birmingham & Rashid Ahmed Esakjee, 78 xxxxxxx Road, Kings Heath, Birmingham

Both pleaded guilty at Birmingham Magistrates Court on 26th November 2004 to 5 offences under the Food Safety Act 1990 relating to the insanitary condition of Medina Bakery, 48 Golden Hillock Road, Small Heath. Officers first inspected the premises on 23rd July 2003 and found evidence of flies throughout the bakery and storeroom, the refrigerator in the storeroom was dirty and there was mould on the seals of the door. Officers also found the remains of what appeared to be ants adhering to the dirt in the door and on the base of the fridge. On 13th November 2003, Officers re-visited Medina Bakery and found there was an active infestation of mice with cooling cakes having been gnawed and littered with mouse droppings.

Both were fined £1,000 (£200 x 5)
Prosecution Costs £500 each
Total £3,000
Hey, a criminal is a criminal right ?
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Old Jul 4, 07, 12:43 pm   #17
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No information other than this press release from the Civil Rights group CAIR...
Wow, when did "Civil Rights group" become a synonym for "Hamas fundraising arm"?
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Before we go bashing anyone or anything, hearing the "other" side of this event might be warranted.
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Old Jul 4, 07, 1:02 pm   #19
 
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Wow, when did "Civil Rights group" become a synonym for "Hamas fundraising arm"?
Omar Ahmad
Co-Founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

Omar Ahmad was captured on FBI surveillance tapes at Hamas meetings in the United States
during 1993 explaining that the IAP could not, for political reasons, admit its support for
Hamas, and then discussing how the Hamas agenda could be cloaked and advanced.

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to
be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only
accepted religion on Earth."

And the other side of the story....

Ahmad told the Muslim leaders – and WND in an interview – the attribution is a "total fabrication" and assured them the newspaper, the Fremont Argus in California, issued a "clarification" after he "challenged" reporter Lisa Gardiner.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=53303

Are they (CAIR) good or bad?
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Old Jul 4, 07, 1:11 pm   #20
 
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Whatever you think of CAIR, the U.S. immigration service DOES have a history of arbitrary denials of entry and deportations. For a while, PDX was especially notorious. East Asian travelers were deported on the flimsiest of excuses

In one case, a Taiwanese woman was questioned in English, which she did not speak, without an interpreter, and was about to be deported for "refusing to answer questions" when her son broke through security to find out why she hadn't appeared in the arrivals area.

In other case, a South Korean engineer sent to troubleshoot at a South Korean-owned manufacturing plant was denied entry, and the Immigration officials refused to phone the plant to check him out. He was put back on the next plane back to Tokyo, where he caught another flight, this one to Seattle, and was admitted without any problems.

A Japanese teenager who spoke poor English was on her way to Portland to help her sister take care of the sister's soon-expected baby. Without questioning her in Japanese (incredibly, with two flights from Japan per day, they had no Asian-language interpreters on site or even on call), they just assumed that she was coming to work as an illegal nanny, even though her very pregnant sister was waiting in the arrivals area.

A Chinese businesswoman was held in jail overnight and deported because the immigration official thought her passport looked "too well used."

There were other cases, but they aroused indignation only in the Asian-American press until a German woman married to an American who had come to Portland from another Oregon town to straighten out her paperwork was summarily put on a plane back to Germany and told that she was barred for ten years. She had an American husband and a 13-month-old American-born baby back home.

Well, the deportation of a European, not to mention the mother of a young child, finally caught the notice of the general public, and the head of immigration at PDX was replaced. (The German woman was allowed back in after some Congressional intervention.)

But it was disgusting to see people writing into the Oregonian defending PDX immigration for "protecting the nation from terrorism"--in the form of Taiwanese grandmothers, South Korean engineers, Japanese teenagers, and young mothers from Germany?

Recently, there was a case where an Iranian family on their way to Canada were arrested and detained when the plane they were on made an emergency landing in the U.S. They weren't even trying to enter the U.S.

People who came here as small children with their families have been deported upon application for citizenship because of a shoplifting or marijuana offense in their teens.

All this is by way of saying that the INS does get it wrong and has its share of tight-a**ed petty tyrants. Perhaps they had good reason to deport the Muslim man; perhaps they didn't. Since the man was traveling with family members to attend a family event, it's more likely that an over-zealous INS agent who is prejudiced against Muslims had a burst of false patriotism.

If the INS was in the wrong, they'll paper it over with claims of "national security," which has proved to be the last refuge of the scoundrel in recent years.
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Old Jul 4, 07, 1:21 pm   #21
 
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I agree...knowing that CAIR is involved is enough. Before all the posts begin about how much CAIR is concerned about civil rights and American freedoms, see who really represents CAIR here:

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
Seems like a truly unbiased and objective source of information...

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Old Jul 4, 07, 1:26 pm   #22
 
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Omar Ahmad
Co-Founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

Omar Ahmad was captured on FBI surveillance tapes at Hamas meetings in the United States
during 1993 explaining that the IAP could not, for political reasons, admit its support for
Hamas, and then discussing how the Hamas agenda could be cloaked and advanced.

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to
be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only
accepted religion on Earth."
<snip>

The guy is an ardent fundamentalist and arguably intolerant. So how is he different from the late Jerry Falwell and his ilk?

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Old Jul 4, 07, 1:37 pm   #23
 
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The deportee ought to be entitled to a an explanation, and due process.
Can someone define due process as it applies to the INA?
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Old Jul 4, 07, 2:00 pm   #24
 
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Can someone define due process as it applies to the INA?
There isn't any. To wit:
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The 1996 Act amends section 235(b)(1) of the INA, effective April 1, 1997, to provide that, if an examining immigration officer determines that an arriving alien is inadmissible for having engaged in fraud or misrepresentation or because the alien lacks valid documents, the officer shall order the alien removed without further hearing or review, unless the alien states a fear of persecution or an intention to apply for asylum.
(bolding mine). It's arbitrary and capricious; completely up to the "officer"

See: http://149.101.23.2/graphics/publica...sheets/948.htm
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Old Jul 4, 07, 3:00 pm   #25
 
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Seems like a truly unbiased and objective source of information...

Cheers,
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Read the articles, then comment. ..each and every one is easily verified through various news sources and court records. This site was made to bring attention to the sham that CAIR is. It has long had a history of supporting and promoting terrorist acts and groups. But, it's probably easier to just believe the sad story of someone denied entry. After all, America is a guilt based country, so it is too easy to play upon that guilt...I'm just not feeling it anymore. We Americans would rather die than hurt someone's feelings...and our enemies are more than too happy to accomodate us.

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Old Jul 4, 07, 5:40 pm   #26
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Wow, when did "Civil Rights group" become a synonym for "Hamas fundraising arm"?
Never.

It's just that calling themselves a civil rights organization doesn't make them not a terrorist front.
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Old Jul 4, 07, 6:31 pm   #27
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DHS harassing European muslims on arrival into the US is far more common these last couple of years than it was in the two or three decades before. At least some people are not willing to jump on the idiotic "they are terrorists" bandwagon and excuse every misstep DHS takes.
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Old Jul 4, 07, 8:08 pm   #28
 
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The guy is an ardent fundamentalist and arguably intolerant. So how is he different from the late Jerry Falwell and his ilk?

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Jerry Falwell never went into a middle eastern country and attempted to set up a sham civil rights group that supported, facilitated, and encouraged the violent overthrow of that country's ideology and religion with murder and terroristic tactics. Fundamentalist and fanatic have quite different meanings.
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The subject was supposed to be the travails of the poor fellow deported from LAX, but it appears the suspicions many harbor toward their muslim neighbors got the better of them.

In a day and age where any attempt by american muslims to organize themselves is viewed with suspicion, I would urge those skeptical of CAIR (or any national muslim organization) to dig a little deeper than listening to conservative talk radio hosts or reading anti-muslim blogs written by so called islamic experts. One way to do this is to sign up for CAIR's daily email alerts. If you are particularly suspicious, you might try using a fictitious muslim name with a corresponding email address. Another way to do this is to show up incognito at any CAIR sponsored muslim community discussions, fund raisers, etc. and just listen to the discourse of the community members. If you do this, I promise you that your image of american muslims will change.

I have not heard any more about Mr. Esakjee today (perhaps because of the official holiday)

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Because CAIR is generally less than forthcoming with facts that don't support its version of the truth.
How does that distinguish CAIR from news gathering organizations, government agencies (such as the TSA) or private businesses?
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