How many TSO's, LTSO'S, STSO'S, Leo's, BDO's etc. are on this forum?
Oct 14, 2010, 2:25 pm
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Sure, as long as it doesn't mean limiting ourselves to Larry King-league softball questions. I agree the cross-eyed anger here over TSA, while mostly justified, is repetitive and eventually non-constructive -- as in the abortion debate, after awhile you've played every card in the deck, and there's nothing new to say. But I think we can be civil while remaining an activist force / voice.
Oct 14, 2010, 2:44 pm
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Sure, as long as it doesn't mean limiting ourselves to Larry King-league softball questions. I agree the cross-eyed anger here over TSA, while mostly justified, is repetitive and eventually non-constructive -- as in the abortion debate, after awhile you've played every card in the deck, and there's nothing new to say. But I think we can be civil while remaining an activist force / voice.
The former needs criticizing IMO and the latter, for the most part, are just the messenger. And no sense in shooting the messenger IMO.
Oct 14, 2010, 3:12 pm
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I’m in. 
One other suggestion I have would be to scale back on the use of slang and acronyms. Right at this moment there are three times as many unregistered guests in the forum as FTers, and I wonder how many of them will make any sense out of what the thread “Censorship on PV” means, just as an example. Okay, PV = Propaganda Village = TSA Blog, and I know there is a stickied glossary, but that doesn’t help the Google bots that would otherwise direct more and more people here.
Take a look at these Google searches:
“censorship at tsa blog”
Compare this to
“flying with a warrant”
There's no reason why FT shouldn't be at the top of Google searches for things like TSA censorship or anything else, and all we have to do is use plain language.
^
One other suggestion I have would be to scale back on the use of slang and acronyms. Right at this moment there are three times as many unregistered guests in the forum as FTers, and I wonder how many of them will make any sense out of what the thread “Censorship on PV” means, just as an example. Okay, PV = Propaganda Village = TSA Blog, and I know there is a stickied glossary, but that doesn’t help the Google bots that would otherwise direct more and more people here.
Take a look at these Google searches:
“censorship at tsa blog”
Compare this to
“flying with a warrant”
There's no reason why FT shouldn't be at the top of Google searches for things like TSA censorship or anything else, and all we have to do is use plain language.
^
Oct 14, 2010, 3:26 pm
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I’m in.
One other suggestion I have would be to scale back on the use of slang and acronyms. Right at this moment there are three times as many unregistered guests in the forum as FTers, and I wonder how many of them will make any sense out of what the thread “Censorship on PV” means, just as an example. Okay, PV = Propaganda Village = TSA Blog, and I know there is a stickied glossary, but that doesn’t help the Google bots that would otherwise direct more and more people here.
Take a look at these Google searches:
“censorship at tsa blog”
Compare this to
“flying with a warrant”
There's no reason why FT shouldn't be at the top of Google searches for things like TSA censorship or anything else, and all we have to do is use plain language.^
One other suggestion I have would be to scale back on the use of slang and acronyms. Right at this moment there are three times as many unregistered guests in the forum as FTers, and I wonder how many of them will make any sense out of what the thread “Censorship on PV” means, just as an example. Okay, PV = Propaganda Village = TSA Blog, and I know there is a stickied glossary, but that doesn’t help the Google bots that would otherwise direct more and more people here.
Take a look at these Google searches:
“censorship at tsa blog”
Compare this to
“flying with a warrant”
There's no reason why FT shouldn't be at the top of Google searches for things like TSA censorship or anything else, and all we have to do is use plain language.
^
Oct 14, 2010, 3:41 pm
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I’m in.
One other suggestion I have would be to scale back on the use of slang and acronyms. Right at this moment there are three times as many unregistered guests in the forum as FTers, and I wonder how many of them will make any sense out of what the thread “Censorship on PV” means, just as an example. Okay, PV = Propaganda Village = TSA Blog, and I know there is a stickied glossary, but that doesn’t help the Google bots that would otherwise direct more and more people here.
Take a look at these Google searches:
“censorship at tsa blog”
Compare this to
“flying with a warrant”
There's no reason why FT shouldn't be at the top of Google searches for things like TSA censorship or anything else, and all we have to do is use plain language.^
One other suggestion I have would be to scale back on the use of slang and acronyms. Right at this moment there are three times as many unregistered guests in the forum as FTers, and I wonder how many of them will make any sense out of what the thread “Censorship on PV” means, just as an example. Okay, PV = Propaganda Village = TSA Blog, and I know there is a stickied glossary, but that doesn’t help the Google bots that would otherwise direct more and more people here.
Take a look at these Google searches:
“censorship at tsa blog”
Compare this to
“flying with a warrant”
There's no reason why FT shouldn't be at the top of Google searches for things like TSA censorship or anything else, and all we have to do is use plain language.
^
Oct 14, 2010, 5:39 pm
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Actually, the TSA is composed of TSOs and their supervisors who do nothing about the TSOs who do things wrong. So it is the TSA.
Oct 14, 2010, 9:57 pm
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Count me formally in.
Good point. ^
Good point. ^
Oct 14, 2010, 9:59 pm
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Most certainly...and also willing to "oversee" the TSA Disparager elite program to keep the personal attacks and jargon out of the "official printed materials". 
Um, is "TSA Disparager" itself verboten?
Um, is "TSA Disparager" itself verboten?
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Oct 14, 2010, 10:20 pm
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Of the at least 200 TSO's who used to post here, trust me, the great majority were run out of town. The number who stopped posting due to a fear of losing their job was much smaller. At least where we know the actual reason they stopped posting.
And, BTW, let's not name any names here. This is just for general discussion. We had to delete a post a few minutes ago where a member was specifically naming other members. We don't allow calling out other members, TSA'ers or not.
And, BTW, let's not name any names here. This is just for general discussion. We had to delete a post a few minutes ago where a member was specifically naming other members. We don't allow calling out other members, TSA'ers or not.
Oct 14, 2010, 10:50 pm
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You're right about that, at least in the early days of this forum. I remember going in and deleting all posts for some panic-stricken TSA'ers who said they didn't realize they would be fired for posting here.
Maybe I'm imagining it but there doesn’t seem to be as many barriers for TSA folks to post on IBB's any longer.
But I wouldn't wade in here and post if I were a TSO. Why deal with the anger and hostility?
And, hey, as a very frequent flier myself, I'm as angry and hostile toward the TSA as anybody else on this board. But I can also make the distinction between the big, bad TSA/DHS bureaucracy and FT'ers who are also TSO's and who want to contribute here.
Maybe I'm imagining it but there doesn’t seem to be as many barriers for TSA folks to post on IBB's any longer.
But I wouldn't wade in here and post if I were a TSO. Why deal with the anger and hostility?
And, hey, as a very frequent flier myself, I'm as angry and hostile toward the TSA as anybody else on this board. But I can also make the distinction between the big, bad TSA/DHS bureaucracy and FT'ers who are also TSO's and who want to contribute here.
I would likewise ask that each TSA member here take a similar pledge to show respect for the other participants on this board. No naming names, but there have been a few over the years that have shown disdain and disrespect to folks that don't agree with everything they say.
Oct 14, 2010, 11:40 pm
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I have to admit, I really don't understand why anyone would willingly take that job and participate in what seems to be a full assault on our civil rights. If all the screeners quit, nobody would be left to run the Nude-o-scopes, right...?
That said, I will pledge to sit on my hands if I don't have anything constructive to say. For the most part.
That said, I will pledge to sit on my hands if I don't have anything constructive to say. For the most part.
Oct 15, 2010, 1:13 am
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I'm fine with the pledge, but that pledge of respect for the individual must go both ways.
I would likewise ask that each TSA member here take a similar pledge to show respect for the other participants on this board. No naming names, but there have been a few over the years that have shown disdain and disrespect to folks that don't agree with everything they say.
I would likewise ask that each TSA member here take a similar pledge to show respect for the other participants on this board. No naming names, but there have been a few over the years that have shown disdain and disrespect to folks that don't agree with everything they say.
Oct 15, 2010, 8:10 am
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Sorry, I won't be participating in "being nice to the TSA".
They will be shown no quarter in my eyes.
Every time they tell a pax "Do you want to fly today?" It's a slap in the face of all Americans.
Every time they come on here and say "Well, we don't have to tell you anything" its further eroding of the American ideal.
The TSA deserves no respect, and shall receive none from me. As for the employees of that agency, if you don't like being dumped on because of your employer, find new employment.
Until a real solution to air security is found, we're more and more unsafe because of the TSA.
So, therefore, I will not be nice. I will challenge anything they say, and I will use only the amount of civility required to keep within the forum TOS.
They will be shown no quarter in my eyes.
Every time they tell a pax "Do you want to fly today?" It's a slap in the face of all Americans.
Every time they come on here and say "Well, we don't have to tell you anything" its further eroding of the American ideal.
The TSA deserves no respect, and shall receive none from me. As for the employees of that agency, if you don't like being dumped on because of your employer, find new employment.
Until a real solution to air security is found, we're more and more unsafe because of the TSA.
So, therefore, I will not be nice. I will challenge anything they say, and I will use only the amount of civility required to keep within the forum TOS.
Oct 15, 2010, 8:30 am
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Sorry, I won't be participating in "being nice to the TSA".
They will be shown no quarter in my eyes.
Every time they tell a pax "Do you want to fly today?" It's a slap in the face of all Americans.
Every time they come on here and say "Well, we don't have to tell you anything" its further eroding of the American ideal.
The TSA deserves no respect, and shall receive none from me. As for the employees of that agency, if you don't like being dumped on because of your employer, find new employment.
Until a real solution to air security is found, we're more and more unsafe because of the TSA.
So, therefore, I will not be nice. I will challenge anything they say, and I will use only the amount of civility required to keep within the forum TOS.
They will be shown no quarter in my eyes.
Every time they tell a pax "Do you want to fly today?" It's a slap in the face of all Americans.
Every time they come on here and say "Well, we don't have to tell you anything" its further eroding of the American ideal.
The TSA deserves no respect, and shall receive none from me. As for the employees of that agency, if you don't like being dumped on because of your employer, find new employment.
Until a real solution to air security is found, we're more and more unsafe because of the TSA.
So, therefore, I will not be nice. I will challenge anything they say, and I will use only the amount of civility required to keep within the forum TOS.
The question is why can't we discuss this in a civil manner?