Airline Crew members can bring liquids through security?
Maybe someone can explain this to me...
A flight attendant has a 3/4 full 2 litre bottle of water on top of her carry-on bag. She and her colleagues walk straight pass all the "NO LIQUIDS" signs and bins. She takes the bottle off her bag and puts it in the bin at security. They scan it. She puts it back on the top of her carry-on and they leave the security area. This happened at terminal 3 at YYZ, not only that but it happened passing through the US security section, where they are overly paranoid - as opposed to the other security sections of the airport. Do flight attendants get a special pass? Anyone else every see something like this? :confused: |
iirc, f/a's and flight deck crew when on duty (and in uniform) are exempt form the liquid nonsense
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Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 10977265)
iirc, f/a's and flight deck crew when on duty (and in uniform) are exempt form the liquid nonsense
In the US, usually they use the little coin/belt trays to mark when crew begins and ends to let the xray worker know to disregard liquids if they use the same line as the general public. |
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Jouy31 TravelVuzz moderator |
As long as the crew member is in uniform and has a valid airline employee ID card, they are exempt from the liquids ban.
There is no check to ensure they are "on duty." Many of them are commuting to/from work, which is unpaid, personal time. As long as they are in uniform, they get a pass for liquids. |
Even when they aren't in uniform, if they have their id with them and walk thru, they are almost always allowed. Note this also applies to other airport workers bringing in their lunch, etc. Just more to show how much of a mockery this entire "liquid ban" has become. (and a reminder on how much its cost me in buying water for significantly more than $1 a bottle when I have a full case in my trunk for .25 a bottle :rolleyes: )
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Originally Posted by GoingAway
(Post 10978595)
Even when they aren't in uniform, if they have their id with them and walk thru, they are almost always allowed. Note this also applies to other airport workers bringing in their lunch, etc. Just more to show how much of a mockery this entire "liquid ban" has become. (and a reminder on how much its cost me in buying water for significantly more than $1 a bottle when I have a full case in my trunk for .25 a bottle :rolleyes: )
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Originally Posted by gj83
(Post 10977300)
Even back in the initial prohibition of ALL liquids, Flight crew on duty were allowed to have certain items.
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Originally Posted by GoingAway
(Post 10978595)
Even when they aren't in uniform, if they have their id with them and walk thru, they are almost always allowed. Note this also applies to other airport workers bringing in their lunch, etc. Just more to show how much of a mockery this entire "liquid ban" has become. ...
The exceptions to this pointless silliness are quite numerous and broad and include. TSA employees Airport employees Airline ground employees People claiming child needs People claiming medical needs Crew |
The USA is very much in the minority on this however. Most other countries in the world that impose a liquid restriction do so with the same restrictions for crew and airport workers as passengers.
The UK especially is highly restrictive and has even prescribed very convoluted procedures to prevent pilots on walkaround from coming into contact with checked luggage that may contain liquids (as a number of flight crew were pulling their liquids out of their checked bags after coming airside to circumvent the rules). |
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 10979094)
absolutely correct but let's not forget that what you and i pay for liquids airside is not the same as what airport workers pay <the password is discount>
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So if I was a terrorist who wanted to take liquid explosives onto an airplane (presuming I could carry something explosive enough without triggering it on the way), I could:
1. Wear an airline or airport crew uniform, and just carry it in. Of course the X-ray would never detect the kind of liquid I had... 2. Put the liquid into contact lens solution bottles and declare them as an exemption. 3. Put the liquid in a juice bottle, declare myself diabetic (maybe take a few needles along too), and get an exemption. 4. Pretend to be a lactating mother carrying milk and get an exemption. 5. Carry the liquid as gel breast enhancing inserts. They are allowed... 6. Stuff the liquids in my pants and walk through with them, being sure to keep them in my private parts, which are never patted down. Of course if asked, I would refuse a full body scan. Or if I really wanted to make sure I wasn't caught I could just shove it in... (you get the picture) 7. Pay an airport worker to smuggle it in for me. 8. Wear plumber's clothing and walk straight through the employee's door. Hum, seems like a very leaky system... |
Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
(Post 10979490)
So if I was a terrorist who wanted to take liquid explosives onto an airplane (presuming I could carry something explosive enough without triggering it on the way), I could:
1. Wear an airline or airport crew uniform, and just carry it in. Of course the X-ray would never detect the kind of liquid I had... 2. Put the liquid into contact lens solution bottles and declare them as an exemption. 3. Put the liquid in a juice bottle, declare myself diabetic (maybe take a few needles along too), and get an exemption. 4. Pretend to be a lactating mother carrying milk and get an exemption. 5. Carry the liquid as gel breast enhancing inserts. They are allowed... 6. Stuff the liquids in my pants and walk through with them, being sure to keep them in my private parts, which are never patted down. Of course if asked, I would refuse a full body scan. Or if I really wanted to make sure I wasn't caught I could just shove it in... (you get the picture) 7. Pay an airport worker to smuggle it in for me. 8. Wear plumber's clothing and walk straight through the employee's door. Hum, seems like a very leaky system... Nah... take the high road... switch to solid or powder explosives. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by GoingAway
(Post 10979285)
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 10979094)
absolutely correct but let's not forget that what you and i pay for liquids airside is not the same as what airport workers pay <the password is discount>
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The biggest issue I have with the exemptions is the fact that an airline employee who is traveling simply on personal terms can arrive at the checkpoint in full uniform, get a liquids pass and then change clothes at the first restroom. There's no way to verify that they are on duty at the time they present themselves at the checkpoint. I thought the airline crews were more honest until I saw it first hand at my airport. I'm sure it's a common practice.
I've seen it where an employee was stopped for her water. She stated that she was going back to the lobby to change into her work clothes. She left, changed, and returned to the checkpoint in her work clothes. After that, she changed back into her regular clothes. I know that if I were a passenger and witnessed that, I'd be quite ticked off. Just like other passengers, I prefer to carry my own drinks onboard the aircraft and not have to rely on a 4 oz cup of water, juice, or soda to get me by. I'd rather have my 32 oz gatorade or something. I also prefer to pay a grocery store's price and not a gift shop's price for the same drink. It's not fair to the passengers. By the way, in case anyone is wondering. If a TSA person is flying, they have no privileges that airline employees have. They are just a regular passengers. |
Originally Posted by TSASuper
(Post 10982069)
The biggest issue I have with the exemptions is the fact that an airline employee who is traveling simply on personal terms can arrive at the checkpoint in full uniform, get a liquids pass and then change clothes at the first restroom. There's no way to verify that they are on duty at the time they present themselves at the checkpoint. I thought the airline crews were more honest until I saw it first hand at my airport. I'm sure it's a common practice.
I've seen it where an employee was stopped for her water. She stated that she was going back to the lobby to change into her work clothes. She left, changed, and returned to the checkpoint in her work clothes. After that, she changed back into her regular clothes. I know that if I were a passenger and witnessed that, I'd be quite ticked off. Just like other passengers, I prefer to carry my own drinks onboard the aircraft and not have to rely on a 4 oz cup of water, juice, or soda to get me by. I'd rather have my 32 oz gatorade or something. I also prefer to pay a grocery store's price and not a gift shop's price for the same drink. It's not fair to the passengers. By the way, in case anyone is wondering. If a TSA person is flying, they have no privileges that airline employees have. They are just a regular passengers. |
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