Family Recounts Trip Aboard NW Flight 253
Man Videotaped Event, Didn't Come Forward, Family Says
POSTED: 6:10 pm CST December 28, 2009
UPDATED: 11:18 am CST December 29, 2009
MILWAUKEE -- An Oconomowoc family is speaking out about their ordeal on the Detroit-bound flight that suffered a terrorist attack.
The Keepman family said they were disappointed not to hear from the president immediately after the incident and they have questions about what happened to a videotape they believe exists of the whole event.
"It was frightening, I mean, you're human and of course you're going to be just terrified," Richelle Keepman said.
The family was on their way back from Ethiopia after adopting two children.
"I just sat there and said, 'God, this cannot happen, these kids need a chance to live,'" Scotti Keepman said.
The Keepmans said they heard a pop and screaming. Then the flight attendants raced down the aisles for fire extinguishers. Scotti said he tried to keep the kids distracted and Richelle said she noticed a man out of place.
"When the commotion started, I looked over and it was him, he was the only one standing up and he was just filming," Richelle Keepman said.
The Keepmans said they were in rows 40 and 41. The suspected bomber was in row 19 and Richelle said a man was taping the incident about 10 rows in front of them.
However, she said the man didn't come forward after the plane landed.
"Right before they started all the interviews, an FBI agent announced that none of us could start the interviews until we found that video camera," Richelle Keepman said.
"Which we thought was kind of odd, because if you videotaped it, wouldn't you want immediately to give it to the authorities to help," Scotti Keepman said.
The Keepmans said they have no idea what happened to that video or the man filming.
The family said they'll be making the same trip in a couple months to adopt the older brother of the two children they brought home with them.
Sigh... let the conspiracies begin... If the authorities wanted to get a camcorder, this is easy to do, since they are screening all the passengers and unless someone put it where the sun doesn't shine, they would find it.
Also this other US guy who now makes these claims about a second guy could be right, but we already know he was wrong about his account on Schiphol events. On that he starts claiming Dutch authorities should release security video, totally ignoring Dutch laws, which make it almost impossible to do so. Of course from his US superiority attitude he will never understand US laws aren't the one and only laws in the world, since they are *perfect*. But anyway... this begins to become a rant and I still need to pass US customs/immigration/security, so I shouldn't make a fuss...
Sigh... let the conspiracies begin... If the authorities wanted to get a camcorder, this is easy to do, since they are screening all the passengers and unless someone put it where the sun doesn't shine, they would find it.
Sure, they can ask for a passenger's camcorder, or cell phone, or other recording device used on a flight, or anywhere else. However, they cannot force anyone to comply with that request unless they produce a search warrant.
I agree with the other poster...opportunist looking to sell his video to the highest bidder in the media channels.
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Sure, they can ask for a passenger's camcorder, or cell phone, or other recording device used on a flight, or anywhere else. However, they cannot force anyone to comply with that request unless they produce a search warrant.
I agree with the other poster...opportunist looking to sell his video to the highest bidder in the media channels.
It's customs, and unfortunately they don't need a warrant to search anyone or everyone for anything or nothing at all.
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It's customs, and unfortunately they don't need a warrant to search anyone or everyone for anything or nothing at all.
Ah, but was it CBP that did the investigation or FBI? I believe that would make a difference in the abilities, as CBP does have some exemptions to the 4th Amendment, where the FBI does not. I wonder if any of our lawyer members could comment on whether FBI would have the ability to secure possessions based upon the investigation taking place in the Customs hall or whether they would be constrained by normal 4th Amendment restrictions.
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The Keepman family said they were disappointed not to hear from the president immediately after the incident.....
to mr. & ms. keepman (or is it it kettle as both names start with a "k" ).....no offense meant, but i think the potus has other things on his plate than to call the 300 or so pax (or their families) who were on the flight-unless of course, you were the ones who had the videotape which mysteriously disappeared..then i would want to know. now if panty bomber had succeeded, that would be a different story
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Probably selling it to the highest bidder
a-yup (if the video exists of course )
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Sigh... let the conspiracies begin... If the authorities wanted to get a camcorder, this is easy to do, since they are screening all the passengers and unless someone put it where the sun doesn't shine, they would find it......)
but they missed the panty bomber's sanitary napkin....
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It's customs, and unfortunately they don't need a warrant to search anyone or everyone for anything or nothing at all.
only if it's cbp as the fibbiies would have no jurisdiction until after the pax cleared customs and walked the the big door saying "welcome to the united states of america"
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Like an accomplice, filming the crew and possible FAM response?
If the intention of the nutcase being prosecuted was to destroy the plane in-flight with an explosive device, there'd be no use in an accomplice on the plane to film the crew and the non-existent FAM response.
There was no on-duty FAM on board this AMS-DTW flight.
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only if it's cbp as the fibbiies would have no jurisdiction until after the pax cleared customs and walked the the big door saying "welcome to the united states of america"
Federal intelligence and non-DHS law enforcement agencies have gotten CBP to see that their interests are met and items removed and/or planted and/or changed.
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If the intention of the nutcase being prosecuted was to destroy the plane in-flight with an explosive device, there'd be no use in an accomplice on the plane to film the crew and the non-existent FAM response.
There was no on-duty FAM on board this AMS-DTW flight.
Stop introducing facts - isn't it obvious that the bomb was designed to fail just so the accomplice can see how Delta staff act
If the intention of the nutcase being prosecuted was to destroy the plane in-flight with an explosive device, there'd be no use in an accomplice on the plane to film the crew and the non-existent FAM response.
There was no on-duty FAM on board this AMS-DTW flight.
Maybe that wasn't his intention. The detonator was insufficient to set off the charge. AQ bomb makers are pretty good, they had to have known this. Hey, this conspiracy stuff is fun.
Maybe that wasn't his intention. The detonator was insufficient to set off the charge. AQ bomb makers are pretty good, they had to have known this. Hey, this conspiracy stuff is fun.
I find my fun in non-fiction. Speaking of their bomb-makers, I'm not sure that would be Richard Reid's conclusion.
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Speaking of their bomb-makers, I'm not sure that would be Richard Reid's conclusion.
Considering the “Fruit Of The Boom” guy got his privates singed while being dragged with his pants around his ankles, he would come to the same conclusion.
