We were near gate B9 at Ohare a few hours ago when there was a disturbance with some young man. As we went over to the area I decided to film the incident where about 4 to 5 people were wrestling the individual down on the ground. When I got there this had already been going on for about 2 minutes. A TSA agent (Dennard) came up tp me and ordered me to stop filming. I do not believ it is within his span of control to deman that trevelers cease filming or otherwise recording pictures in public areas of the airport. I stopped and then started again when some woman apparently told him I was filming again.. I have posted the short footage on you tube...
O'Hare's website says "Passengers may not film in or around any of the security checkpoints at O'Hare"; though it's not the TSA's job to enforce local laws/rules.
Actually, he was filming near the gate, not a TSA checkpoint.
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Originally Posted by KCK
O'Hare's website says "Passengers may not film in or around any of the security checkpoints at O'Hare"; though it's not the TSA's job to enforce local laws/rules.
A TSA agent (Dennard) came up tp me and ordered me to stop filming.
He had no authority to do so . . . the TSA blog talks about photography and it says the TSA has no problem with it-- you just have to obey any local laws.
They do not want you to have any control, and will not want you to show anyone what happens. The security check points are on TV, as well as the internet, along with the types of machines they use to check everything with, so the no filming rules doesn't seem to apply to your safety.
Have you ever ask a police person who is conducting a search if you can film them because you just don't trust them? Too much accountability falls on the people involved if they are on film, they do not like it. They do like to watch every move you make with the cameras almost everywhere you go.
I always remember Rodney King when I hear about these situations and think of the the movie Anger Management.
Blogger Bob on taking pictures and filming at checkpoints
"...We don’t prohibit public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming at screening locations. You can take pictures at our checkpoints as long as you’re not interfering with the screening process or slowing things down. We also ask that you do not film or take pictures of our monitors...However… while the TSA does not prohibit photographs at screening locations, local laws, state statutes, or local ordinances might. Your best bet is to call ahead and see what that specific airport’s policy is..."
Did you call ahead? =)
In this case, seems like local rules @ ORD would apply, and no pics/cams at checkpoint. But ORD f.a.q. says nothing about filming outside security checkpoint as prohibited.
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if this was outside the checkpoint itself, the TSA has NO authority to tell you to stop filming or photographing ANYTHING - including the terminal, aircraft operations, etc.
Folks need to learn that outside of the checkpoint itself and the sterile area, and outside of requests specific to travel (boarding pass, bag check, etc.), the TSA has NO authority to order or even ask you to do anything - they can be totally ignored and there is nothing they can do.
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Nobody seems to have a problem with this? Did you ask the young man if this was okay?
I wouldn't want to be the subject of an unauthorized youtube video filmed against my will that might bring embarassment to myself & my family. If the TSA guards had filmed this then posted it on youtube everyone would be outraged. Just my opinion.
BTW I didn't go look @ the video because it's none of my business.
Yes, the photographers 1st Amendment rights were clearly violated.
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Did you ask the young man if this was okay?
That could of been easily construed as interfering with whatever was going on. A quick, one way ticket to jail.
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I wouldn't want to be the subject of an unauthorized youtube video filmed against my will that might bring embarassment to myself & my family.
What is unauthorized?
The moment you step outside your dwelling into public, you give up any reasonable expectation of privacy.
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If the TSA guards had filmed this then posted it on youtube everyone would be outraged.
Actually, a lot of times when incidents occur that involve the TSA, they release the video of the incident. People would be outraged if the TSA DIDN'T release the video.
I actually don't have a problem with the guy photographing the incident. He's well within his rights to do so. The question I'm asking is why post it on youtube? I know the answer is why not since it's not against the law.
As for your assertion that we would be outraged if the TSA didn't release the video, I said we'd be outraged if they posted it on youtube not release it to the public after a proper investigation & if it was requested by someone like the media. There's a big difference in those two scenarios.
We were near gate B9 at Ohare a few hours ago when there was a disturbance with some young man. As we went over to the area I decided to film the incident where about 4 to 5 people were wrestling the individual down on the ground. When I got there this had already been going on for about 2 minutes. A TSA agent (Dennard) came up tp me and ordered me to stop filming. I do not believ it is within his span of control to deman that trevelers cease filming or otherwise recording pictures in public areas of the airport. I stopped and then started again when some woman apparently told him I was filming again.. I have posted the short footage on you tube...
We were near gate B9 at Ohare a few hours ago when there was a disturbance with some young man. As we went over to the area I decided to film the incident where about 4 to 5 people were wrestling the individual down on the ground. When I got there this had already been going on for about 2 minutes. A TSA agent (Dennard) came up tp me and ordered me to stop filming. I do not believ it is within his span of control to deman that trevelers cease filming or otherwise recording pictures in public areas of the airport. I stopped and then started again when some woman apparently told him I was filming again.. I have posted the short footage on you tube...
O'Hare's website says "Passengers may not film in or around any of the security checkpoints at O'Hare"; though it's not the TSA's job to enforce local laws/rules.
According to what Phil was told, TSA at Chicago O'Hare International (ORD) does not know of any local laws prohibiting filming, but I guess this TSO knew local law better.
I just made a comment, so let's see if I receive any response from ORD.
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Your website in FAQ for ORD states:
"Am I allowed to take photos or video in the airport?
Passengers may not film in or around any of the security checkpoints at O'Hare."
This statement needs to be removed as it is not true and has a chilling effect. Please contact Barbara Hornbach with the TSA at ORD if you need verification of the veracity of your statement.
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its a control thing
