Norwegian to fly between UK, Ireland and U.S. NE Coast cities. from Summer 2017.
May 23, 2017, 12:26 am
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The 737-8 will have a lower fuel burn of about 2.5l/100km/pax (instead of 2.9 with the 738), but how much fuel will this aircraft have left at the end of a 8h mission? Maybe enough to do one diversion and/or one go around as required, but not much more.
May 24, 2017, 9:31 pm
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On Monday I bought a round trip ticket for August between Providence and Bergen Norway for $301. Today it's $241. I'm actually a little ticked 
I reserved the window seat in the last exit aisle for leg room. Now wondering if I should have went for bulkhead. Any ideas? Pros and cons? I basically just stuff a pillow against the window, right side always, and try to sleep.
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I reserved the window seat in the last exit aisle for leg room. Now wondering if I should have went for bulkhead. Any ideas? Pros and cons? I basically just stuff a pillow against the window, right side always, and try to sleep.
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May 25, 2017, 1:45 am
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If you want legspace, bulkhead seats are the worst.
In any other row, you can extend your feet under the seat in front of you. Bulkhead seats do not allow this.
May 25, 2017, 10:22 am
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when I reserved my seat, a bulkhead option on the seating chart stated more legroom.
May 25, 2017, 5:02 pm
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May 27, 2017, 11:54 am
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Any reports about the Newburgh service yet? Do you get to select your own seats at the 24-hour mark, and how picky are they with the carry-on baggage allowance (size and weight)?
I've got some family members going in July and we just measured some suitcases to comply. The "additional bag" is a weird size (like a small rectangular box).
I saw they were selling seats to Edinburgh for July for $99 again this week. My guess is that booking are as horrific as I expected. I wouldn't wait until next year if you want to do this; I'm sure the service will disappear.
I've got some family members going in July and we just measured some suitcases to comply. The "additional bag" is a weird size (like a small rectangular box).
I saw they were selling seats to Edinburgh for July for $99 again this week. My guess is that booking are as horrific as I expected. I wouldn't wait until next year if you want to do this; I'm sure the service will disappear.
May 28, 2017, 2:46 pm
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Yeah, it will be interesting to get reports. I don't have a bag scale at my house. Ten kg is not "generous" -- I could conceive of a small rollerboard and personal item weighing more than this. Will they need to take a jacket and stuff the heavy stuff into it?
For the personal item, I'm thinking they'd be best taking a small not-completely-filled backpack and "rolling it up" in the sizer if necessary. Would that work if you can squish it into the space? This way, while in Europe, they can throw some items in (like a box of crackers and such) if they need to.
For the personal item, I'm thinking they'd be best taking a small not-completely-filled backpack and "rolling it up" in the sizer if necessary. Would that work if you can squish it into the space? This way, while in Europe, they can throw some items in (like a box of crackers and such) if they need to.
May 30, 2017, 8:38 am
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Services don't start for another 3 weeks.
That was a sale on the new services, available until June 3 or whenever the 6,000 seats available each way sold out.
If it does, it will more likely be due to continued attempts in the US to derail these services, or a post-Brexit UK at least temporarily losing access to the US air market when it ceases to be a member of the EU/US open skies agreement.
A recent article on the Financial Times reported on the rise of the ULCC TATL markets. And some details might challenge your perceptions.
New technology means the next-generation narrow-bodies will be able to fly six to eight-hour routes at a lower cost than even the most fuel-efficient wide-bodies. This will enable airlines to increase the frequency of flights on existing transatlantic routes, as well as unlock a range of new nonstop services. Barclays estimates that this could equate to as many as 60 additional point-to-point routes.
Andrew Lobbenberg, analyst at HSBC, agrees that the economics of the new narrow-body planes are “really appealing”.
“It means smaller markets that you once laughed at being a transatlantic market can become one, hubs get overflown and airlines that couldn’t previously fly transatlantic markets . . . now can,” he says.
From next month, Norwegian will be using the 737 Max 8 aircraft to launch 10 routes to the US from five UK and Irish cities. The range for this plane means it will be confined to flying from the UK or Ireland to the US east coast. However, the launch of the A321 LR in 2019, which has an additional 500-mile range, will provide more potential, with the ability to fly longer distances from continental Europe to the US and Canada.
Some graphs from that article are reproduced here...
You will no doubt be surprised to see that they stand to make a far greater profit from their 737Max fleet than from their Dreamliners...
A recent article on the Financial Times reported on the rise of the ULCC TATL markets. And some details might challenge your perceptions.
Originally Posted by The Financial Times
New technology means the next-generation narrow-bodies will be able to fly six to eight-hour routes at a lower cost than even the most fuel-efficient wide-bodies. This will enable airlines to increase the frequency of flights on existing transatlantic routes, as well as unlock a range of new nonstop services. Barclays estimates that this could equate to as many as 60 additional point-to-point routes.
Andrew Lobbenberg, analyst at HSBC, agrees that the economics of the new narrow-body planes are “really appealing”.
“It means smaller markets that you once laughed at being a transatlantic market can become one, hubs get overflown and airlines that couldn’t previously fly transatlantic markets . . . now can,” he says.
From next month, Norwegian will be using the 737 Max 8 aircraft to launch 10 routes to the US from five UK and Irish cities. The range for this plane means it will be confined to flying from the UK or Ireland to the US east coast. However, the launch of the A321 LR in 2019, which has an additional 500-mile range, will provide more potential, with the ability to fly longer distances from continental Europe to the US and Canada.
You will no doubt be surprised to see that they stand to make a far greater profit from their 737Max fleet than from their Dreamliners...
May 30, 2017, 9:29 am
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If it does, it will more likely be due to continued attempts in the US to derail these services, or a post-Brexit UK at least temporarily losing access to the US air market when it ceases to be a member of the EU/US open skies agreement.
A recent article on the Financial Times reported on the rise of the ULCC TATL markets. And some details might challenge your perceptions.
A recent article on the Financial Times reported on the rise of the ULCC TATL markets. And some details might challenge your perceptions.
BTW, be skeptical of what you read in the papers about airline financials. There are fewer than a half dozen USA aviation reporters who actually know enough about the business to have valuable insight.
There's a reason smart, profitable low fare airlines like Easyjet and Southwest aren't doing this. It's because they're smart and profitable.
May 30, 2017, 9:45 am
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The fuel burn on the 737 Max and 320 neo is about the same per 100 pax km as the dreamliner or A350. I doubt they make that much more considering they are serving point to point and have to sell at a very low price point to fill their cabins.
May 30, 2017, 10:05 am
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And let's face it - the ancillaries are less avoidable on longhaul than on shorthaul.
Time magazine reported last year that the big US3 airlines made a combined total of $14.7 billion from ancillary fees in the previous year - almost half of the global take.
Ryanair today announced that they are upping their target for ancillary revenues - which last year already surpassed a previous 20% target much earlier than planned - to account for 30% of revenues by March 2020. Today's figures show that ancillary revenue rose by 13% to €1.8bn [while scheduled revenue declined by 2%], bringing ancillary's share of total revenue up to 27% from last year's 24%.
If fuel prices stay low, then their ancillary revenues should overtake their fuel costs next year.
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May 30, 2017, 11:38 am
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Generally with Norwegian you can choose your seat when checkin in, but only at the airport and NOT online. So if you go to an airport where they have the check-in machines you can use those even on the day before, but otherwise you have to live with the assigned seat.
May 30, 2017, 5:50 pm
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[QUOTE=irishguy28;28378570]It is the ancillaries on which the low cost carriers make their profits, oliver.
And let's face it - the ancillaries are less avoidable on longhaul than on shorthaul./QUOTE]
Actually, I suspect the ancillary revenue (except perhaps luggage -- inexperienced travellers always seem to think they need all their worldly possessions with them) will be pitiful for the Newburgh flight as it will cater mostly to backpackers. I mean, who else is going to seek this service out?
Aw, that's too bad. Hopefully there's enough empty seats for them to still get something decent. But if Norwegian keeps selling the seats for $99 for July travel, I don't think they'll be many empty seats. I think there would be in October, however.
And let's face it - the ancillaries are less avoidable on longhaul than on shorthaul./QUOTE]
Actually, I suspect the ancillary revenue (except perhaps luggage -- inexperienced travellers always seem to think they need all their worldly possessions with them) will be pitiful for the Newburgh flight as it will cater mostly to backpackers. I mean, who else is going to seek this service out?
Aw, that's too bad. Hopefully there's enough empty seats for them to still get something decent. But if Norwegian keeps selling the seats for $99 for July travel, I don't think they'll be many empty seats. I think there would be in October, however.
May 31, 2017, 2:14 am
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Actually, I suspect the ancillary revenue (except perhaps luggage -- inexperienced travellers always seem to think they need all their worldly possessions with them) will be pitiful for the Newburgh flight as it will cater mostly to backpackers. I mean, who else is going to seek this service out?