A friend of mine flew Eva Air's Taipei-Paris nonstop flights a few weeks before
it stopped operating. One thing that I remember hearing from her was that
the flight was bloody long. I think she said the the TPE-CDG return flight took
almost 15 and half hours.(actual flight time in the air) She was in business
class and still she compalined about the lack of any French programs on the
video screen... also, the flight attendants, including the chief purser, spoke
almost no French. (and their English wan't so great, either)
I didn't think much about it at the time. I now realize that the distance from
Paris to Taipei is only a little more than 6000 miles.
Why did it take 15 and half hours to fly just 6000 miles? I've flown CDG to
HKG(which is also about 6000 miles) and it was way shorter than 15.5 hours.
I've heard similar complaints. As for the route, from TPE it flew north-east roughly to Kyushu, before turning and overflying Russia. It did seem a bit convoluted to me. Obviously they have to avoid China.
On AMS/LHR, EVA seem to do quite well out of having a stop in BKK. It effectively becomes the turnaround point - they do good business for Europeans holidaying in Thailand, as well as Americans transitting in TPE before taking the European flight onto BKK (less so for AMS).
About 10 years ago, on LHR, the plane was pretty full with people going all the way. Business people doing business between Taiwan and the UK, or Taiwanese students. That profile has changed completely. It seems not many people in the UK want to go to Taiwan these days - they are doing the business in China. Even if they are doing business in Taiwan, email, phone calls and the level are English in Taiwan are all better now and the trip is not so important.
I'm guessing this is an element of the drop off for the CDG route.
It has something to do with not being able to fly over China and Mongolia, so they had to go through Russia, which makes a great inconvenience in travel. Currently Taiwan is trying to resolve this issue with China by flying over Shanghai and over to Europe, wonder if that's going to work with the country/nation dilemma the two had... If this can be worked out, CI's flight to FRA will be able to go through here, while BR may resume their CDG flight because the distance is much shorter.
I personally think EVA only cares about group travel business, not business travel business.
EVA works extensively with Taiwan tour operators. Not really a lot of people buy J or F tickets. Not even mid to high price Y tickets.
Also, I think BR makes the CDG route dead. BR has good relationship with CO in US. They can surely team up, code share, or whatever with Air France.
This will extend their destination to most of the EU. No need to transfer in HK.
I personally think EVA only cares about group travel business, not business travel business.
EVA works extensively with Taiwan tour operators. Not really a lot of people buy J or F tickets. Not even mid to high price Y tickets.
Also, I think BR makes the CDG route dead. BR has good relationship with CO in US. They can surely team up, code share, or whatever with Air France.
This will extend their destination to most of the EU. No need to transfer in HK.
IF they only care about the group travellers, there would've never been such thing called "Premium Economy Class"
CI has good relationship with DL in US. But they pulled out SEA and IAH anyways.
EVA Airways plan to resume Paris CDG on January 21, 2009
EVA Airways plan to resume Paris CDG on January 21, 2009
EVA Airways plan to resume TPE-CDG v.v. starting on January 21st of next year by departing from TPE, and the first flight departure from CDG to TPE will be on January 22nd, and arrive at TPE on the 23rd.
On the National Holiday on October 10th, 2008, it was announced that EVA Airways plan to resume the route on January 20th of next year. The formal announcement arrived from Ministry of Foreign Affairs where the exact time would be on January 21st, 2009, where the first departure is made at Taipei Taoyuan International Airport.
According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, all the plans were made and arranged within the EVA Airways group. However, they still need approval from President Chang of Evergreen Group. January 21st was picked to fit in the Europe Air Traffic Arrangement Summer Schedule.
From there on, flights will be operated at a frequency of 3 weekly, departing from Taipei Taoyuan on Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday (Days 357). The departure days from Paris CDG will be the following day, which is Monday, Thursday, and Saturday (Days 146). January 22nd will fall on a Thursday, which will fit in the schedule.
EVA Airways Paris Office has received orders from Taipei to prepare for re-inauguration of the routes. Oral announcements were given to travel agencies that passenger bookings have not yet been implemented, and actions for recruiting personnel and applying for airport office have not yet been done as they are waiting for the exact dates from Taipei.
Although EVA Airways have solved the internal issues, but the Winter Schedule for Europe Air Traffic Central lies on October 25th to March 25th of next year, so the deadline for application process already passed. There may still be issues with air space that EVA Airways would need to solve, but should not be a problem since EVA has a good relationship with them.
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EVA Airways plan to resume Paris CDG on January 21, 2009
EVA Airways plan to resume TPE-CDG v.v. starting on January 21st of next year by departing from TPE, and the first flight departure from CDG to TPE will be on January 22nd, and arrive at TPE on the 23rd.
TPE-CDG v.v. is a direct route, just like CI's TPE-FRA v.v.
France did not allow the Taiwanese carriers to have a stopover to pick up passengers in between (this is actually mainly the reason why the route was axed in the first place).
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Excellent news (whether or not via BKK). My purser (reported at #3) turned out to be reliable!
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Originally Posted by coolfish1103
1. EVA reinstate TPE-CDG, up to three weekly (I think this is most likely going to happen).
If the Paris-Taipei flights are non stop, will BR be able to make them pay?
Eva's LHR flights load very well to BKK but I believe that the LHR-TPE loadings are not great.
Yes, very few fly TPE-LHR these days. But the loading on BR67/68 TPE-BKK is pretty good... Mostly north Americans who transit TPE on their way to Thailand. Also an increasing number of regional tourists - Thais and Taiwanese doing BKK/TPE. In fact BR67 and BR211 on TPE-BKK are only about 30 mins apart.
If the Paris-Taipei flights are non stop, will BR be able to make them pay?
Eva's LHR flights load very well to BKK but I believe that the LHR-TPE loadings are not great.
Not much EVA can do unless France allows a stopover being made. Even if France did, would Thailand agree on another one-stop in Bangkok is another story, given the slots that EVA currently has probably wouldn't be enough to accommodate another three flights to CDG.
