Mar 17, 2014, 3:08 pm
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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
Mar 19, 2014, 8:07 pm
#661
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BBC summarising all of the theories and speculations that circulate on the net re the missing plane:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26609687
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26609687
Mar 19, 2014, 8:10 pm
#662
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This drop down was shown several times on the Sky News UK today.. I was specifically waiting for the repeat and it did repeat the same story..
45000 - 5000 - 35 000
It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
45000 - 5000 - 35 000
It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
I suspect until the wreck is found we'll never know the truth, I just hope it's found quickly and the relatives don't have the agonizing wait that occurred with the AF crash.
Mar 19, 2014, 8:12 pm
#663
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This drop down was shown several times on the Sky News UK today.. I was specifically waiting for the repeat and it did repeat the same story..
45000 - 5000 - 35 000
It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
45000 - 5000 - 35 000
It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
Mar 19, 2014, 8:18 pm
#664
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Isn't this data from the primary military radar without the transponder sending the altitude? Not sure what the reliability of such altitude estimates are. I don't see how the plane would have survived such a manuever structurally in the time frame of that manuever. Is it possible that the reality was a 5000 ft drop from 45000, possibly from a stall, a recovery back to 35,000 ft and is being misreported?
Mar 19, 2014, 8:25 pm
#665
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This drop down was shown several times on the Sky News UK today.. I was specifically waiting for the repeat and it did repeat the same story..
45000 - 5000 - 35 000
It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
45000 - 5000 - 35 000
It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
If the plane starts to ascend, back the throttles off to slow the airspeed and the plane (if it doesn't totally stall and uncontrollably drop) will start to descend. Once the plane starts to descend, it picks up speed, creates lift, descent slows and possibly will start to ascend again. Couple this with a pilot manually manipulating the throttles in an effort to assist this action in order to control the planes vertical and horizontal movements and the resulting flight path would most likely be an up down wave pattern and theoretically could replicate 45,000 - 5,000 - 35,000 repeat repeat repeat.
Then again, 45,000 - 5,000 - 35,000 may never of actually happened.
Last edited by BNE2?; Mar 19, 2014 at 8:28 pm Reason: spell check
Mar 19, 2014, 8:39 pm
#666
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 213
Two questions that I haven't seen answered directly before:
1. Can a pilot intentionally depressurize an airplane at cruise altitude? Could the pilot have access to oxygen to stay alive while the oxygen available to passengers runs out.
2. People keep talking about passengers trying to make calls on cell phones, but even without trying to make calls, cell phones that are on will try to contact towers on the ground. If the contact is successful and a connection is established, the phone identifies itself to the tower and that information is recorded by the tower. Has there been any word from authorities that they have searched the phone records of all passengers and found that no pings occurred at any cell towers in the region (Indonesia, Central Asia etc.) after the flight took off?
1. Can a pilot intentionally depressurize an airplane at cruise altitude? Could the pilot have access to oxygen to stay alive while the oxygen available to passengers runs out.
2. People keep talking about passengers trying to make calls on cell phones, but even without trying to make calls, cell phones that are on will try to contact towers on the ground. If the contact is successful and a connection is established, the phone identifies itself to the tower and that information is recorded by the tower. Has there been any word from authorities that they have searched the phone records of all passengers and found that no pings occurred at any cell towers in the region (Indonesia, Central Asia etc.) after the flight took off?
Mar 19, 2014, 8:46 pm
#668
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When you think the things cannot get more strange..
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...efence-company
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...efence-company
Mar 19, 2014, 9:36 pm
#669
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Some debris being checked by Aussies, briefing 1615 UTC March 20.
https://twitter.com/search?q=kjbar&src=typd
https://twitter.com/search?q=kjbar&src=typd
Mar 19, 2014, 9:37 pm
#670
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March 19, 2014
CNN Breaking News 10:30 PM Dallas, Texas Time
CNN now reporting that Australia PM is going to announce that they may have found two pieces of debris located near Australia.
Approximately 1400 miles east of Perth, Australia.
CNN Breaking News 10:30 PM Dallas, Texas Time
CNN now reporting that Australia PM is going to announce that they may have found two pieces of debris located near Australia.
Approximately 1400 miles east of Perth, Australia.
Mar 19, 2014, 9:42 pm
#671
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Mar 19, 2014, 9:47 pm
#674
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...320-354ij.html
This might mean the shut down on this thread, if it really is the wreckage (well, it may take quite a while to end the speculation with fact)
This might mean the shut down on this thread, if it really is the wreckage (well, it may take quite a while to end the speculation with fact)
Mar 19, 2014, 9:48 pm
#675
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If it is found here, it seems that the plane flew till it ran out of juice, either due to some technical issue or possibly something along the lines of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961