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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
#1682
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: YVR
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Posts: 645
If you want to go there, you have to also take into consideration salinity and depth. All three, conductivity (salinity), depth and temperature (aka, CDT) all effect the speed of sound, which messes with sonar.
Last edited by cblaisd; Apr 23, 2014 at 7:35 am Reason: merged poster's two consecutive posts
#1683
Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: AA,CO, AS
Posts: 58
Maybe it didn't go into the water ? (Desperation alert).
Sparks a thought tho', has anyone done a low altitude retracing of its track over mainland Malaysia heading west ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ian-Ocean.html
Sparks a thought tho', has anyone done a low altitude retracing of its track over mainland Malaysia heading west ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ian-Ocean.html
#1684
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Dallas, TX USA
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Maybe it didn't go into the water ? (Desperation alert).
Sparks a thought tho', has anyone done a low altitude retracing of its track over mainland Malaysia heading west ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ian-Ocean.html
Sparks a thought tho', has anyone done a low altitude retracing of its track over mainland Malaysia heading west ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ian-Ocean.html
#1685
Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: AA,CO, AS
Posts: 58
but what about the pings? what would explain those?
InMarsat pings and/or blackbox pings ? Don't know. I thought BB pings had some sort of ID encoded in the signal ? Anyone know?
What seemed strange to me from published "news" reports was that villager sightings in both Malaysia & the Maldives were so quickly dismissed.
InMarsat pings and/or blackbox pings ? Don't know. I thought BB pings had some sort of ID encoded in the signal ? Anyone know?
What seemed strange to me from published "news" reports was that villager sightings in both Malaysia & the Maldives were so quickly dismissed.
#1686
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: SW London
Programs: BAEC Silver; Hilton Diamond;a miscellany of other hotel non-statuses
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(CNN) Investigators have determined that the missing jet was equipped with four emergency locator transmitters, or ELTs, which are designed to transmit a plane's location to an emergency satellite when triggered by a crash or by contact with water, the source added.
The ELTs were at the plane's front door, its rear door, in the fuselage and in the cockpit, said the source, who was puzzled over why they appear either not to have activated or, if they did activate, why they were not picked up by the satellite.
The ELTs were at the plane's front door, its rear door, in the fuselage and in the cockpit, said the source, who was puzzled over why they appear either not to have activated or, if they did activate, why they were not picked up by the satellite.
- 4 were included at delivery, but may not still be there.
- They have independent battery packs, which may not have ben maintained.
- There have been two distress frequencies in use (~100Mhz old and ~400MHz new ?), and monitoring of the old one stopped in 2009 so maybe they were using that frequency.
- They can be deactivated from the cockpit.
- They are water activated, but the plane sank before water made it into the ELT housing and the radio waves then don't travel well through water to be detected.
- They are G-force activated, but the surface impact wasn't violent enough to trigger them.
Last edited by EsherFlyer; Apr 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm Reason: Minor typo correction
#1687
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: YVR
Programs: AC E50K, NEXUS
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but what about the pings? what would explain those?
InMarsat pings and/or blackbox pings ? Don't know. I thought BB pings had some sort of ID encoded in the signal ? Anyone know?
What seemed strange to me from published "news" reports was that villager sightings in both Malaysia & the Maldives were so quickly dismissed.
InMarsat pings and/or blackbox pings ? Don't know. I thought BB pings had some sort of ID encoded in the signal ? Anyone know?
What seemed strange to me from published "news" reports was that villager sightings in both Malaysia & the Maldives were so quickly dismissed.
I'll be the first to admit that before the Inmarsat data, I was very open to the possibility that the aircraft had been hijacked and had landed somewhere. However, with the Inmarsat data and the transponder pings from the current search area, I believe such theories are no longer rational. It could easily take weeks or even months to locate the wreckage, but I think there is very little doubt that the search area is in the vicinity where the aircraft went down.
#1688
Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: AA,CO, AS
Posts: 58
Except the reported Maldives sighting was in daylight with description of colours etc.
Could someone confirm if the Black Box pings carry an ID?
Could've sworn I read that they did, if so, has there been any announcement regarding any analysis on said pings ?
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Could someone confirm if the Black Box pings carry an ID?
Could've sworn I read that they did, if so, has there been any announcement regarding any analysis on said pings ?
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#1691
Join Date: Mar 2011
Programs: AAA
Posts: 39
The Air France was found in an area that had been searched two years prior.
I hate to second guess the Ocean Shield folks because they have done a good job so far. Perhaps they are expanding the radius of search by Bluefin just to keep searching for something while they complete the logistics for the real Plan B?
Maybe they have re-analyzed the actual center of the pings? Otherwise, why not search the primary center of the circle where the pings were heard in a different way? Go cross-ways to the original search with the side-scan sonar, go deeper, etc...
I hate to second guess the Ocean Shield folks because they have done a good job so far. Perhaps they are expanding the radius of search by Bluefin just to keep searching for something while they complete the logistics for the real Plan B?
Maybe they have re-analyzed the actual center of the pings? Otherwise, why not search the primary center of the circle where the pings were heard in a different way? Go cross-ways to the original search with the side-scan sonar, go deeper, etc...
#1692
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: YVR
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The Air France was found in an area that had been searched two years prior.
I hate to second guess the Ocean Shield folks because they have done a good job so far. Perhaps they are expanding the radius of search by Bluefin just to keep searching for something while they complete the logistics for the real Plan B?
Maybe they have re-analyzed the actual center of the pings? Otherwise, why not search the primary center of the circle where the pings were heard in a different way? Go cross-ways to the original search with the side-scan sonar, go deeper, etc...
I hate to second guess the Ocean Shield folks because they have done a good job so far. Perhaps they are expanding the radius of search by Bluefin just to keep searching for something while they complete the logistics for the real Plan B?
Maybe they have re-analyzed the actual center of the pings? Otherwise, why not search the primary center of the circle where the pings were heard in a different way? Go cross-ways to the original search with the side-scan sonar, go deeper, etc...
Last edited by bimmerdriver; Apr 26, 2014 at 7:40 pm
#1693
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Victoria, Australia
Programs: Qatar, Qantas club, Enrich, Skywards
Posts: 45
Exploration company believes it may have found MH370
Pasting this story here as it sounds very speculative but there may be something of interest in it for those with an interest in mineral technology.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036...e-found-mh370/
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036...e-found-mh370/
#1694
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Dallas, TX USA
Programs: Rapid Rewards/AAdvantage
Posts: 1,245
Pasting this story here as it sounds very speculative but there may be something of interest in it for those with an interest in mineral technology.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036...e-found-mh370/
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036...e-found-mh370/
#1695
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Pasting this story here as it sounds very speculative but there may be something of interest in it for those with an interest in mineral technology.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036...e-found-mh370/
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036...e-found-mh370/
GeoResonance told 7News: “We identified chemical elements and materials that make up a Boeing 777… these are aluminium, titanium, copper, steel alloys and other materials.”