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Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
Jul 17, 2014, 10:54 am
#227
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Can confirm Schiphol Airport today is an eery place to be right now. Really sad.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:56 am
#228
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As far as I know Russia does not require manifests for transiting planes. This was reported together with Putin phone call to Obama, so either the U.S. or both sides were provided with a passenger list by MH or AMS.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:56 am
#229
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The comments on that post are haunting, as you see the comments continue as the story is breaking in real time and friends and family are posting. Truly terrible. My thoughts and prayers to all.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:57 am
#231
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Jul 17, 2014, 10:57 am
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16:50: An advisor to the Ukrainian interior minister, Anton Gerashenko, says the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 metres (33,000 feet) when it was "hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher", in a post on his Facebook page, according to the Associated Press
16:50: The Associated Press says one of its journalists saw a similar launcher near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhe earlier on Thursday.
16:50: The Associated Press says one of its journalists saw a similar launcher near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhe earlier on Thursday.
Jonathan Beale Defence correspondent, BBC News A defence expert has told the BBC that shooting down a plane at 10,000 metres (9.7 miles) would have required a long-range surface-to-air missile - possibly guided by radar. That suggests it is unlikely it could have been downed by a portable air defence missile
The only other possibility is for an aircraft at that height to be downed by a fighter carrying air-to-air missiles. The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired.
The only other possibility is for an aircraft at that height to be downed by a fighter carrying air-to-air missiles. The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:57 am
#234
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My heart goes out to the families on board. It's disgusting that anyone would shoot down a civilian target.
I'm currently taking a class in DC on US foreign policy and we are doing a simulation on Ukraine-Russia crisis. Needless to say, our class will probably get a whole lot more interesting...
I'm currently taking a class in DC on US foreign policy and we are doing a simulation on Ukraine-Russia crisis. Needless to say, our class will probably get a whole lot more interesting...
Jul 17, 2014, 10:57 am
#235
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Malaysia Airlines on Facebook: MEDIA STATEMENT on MH17 Incident released at 12:30am/18 July 2014
http://bit.ly/1ru9wIR
However, cannot access the MH site: "Due to overwhelming traffic, you are viewing the lite version of our website for quicker access. Our online flight booking is available as usual."
http://bit.ly/1ru9wIR
However, cannot access the MH site: "Due to overwhelming traffic, you are viewing the lite version of our website for quicker access. Our online flight booking is available as usual."
Jul 17, 2014, 10:58 am
#238
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Jul 17, 2014, 10:58 am
#240
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Malaysia Airlines on Facebook: MEDIA STATEMENT on MH17 Incident released at 12:30am/18 July 2014
http://bit.ly/1ru9wIR
However, cannot access the MH site: "Due to overwhelming traffic, you are viewing the lite version of our website for quicker access. Our online flight booking is available as usual."
http://bit.ly/1ru9wIR
However, cannot access the MH site: "Due to overwhelming traffic, you are viewing the lite version of our website for quicker access. Our online flight booking is available as usual."