May 24, 2013, 7:54 pm
Last edit by: coolfish1103
Google doc for China Airlines & Starlux Airlines
- 2017 China Airlines Network
- A document for Tigerair Taiwan (LCC) will soon be made.
Things to note:
Information may not be up-to-date and is only served as advice. It's best for one to call the airline or check the official website. This thread will only cover carriers not having their own forums operated from Taiwan (not China). It's recommended to read some recent discussions in this page or this section of the forum as they might not yet be updated.
Please visit EVA FT forum for information regards to EVA Air.
Miles Buzz
China Airlines (CI) - 中華航空
Subsidiary: Mandarin Airlines (AE) - 華信航空
Fare Family
- China Airlines has followed the steps of EVA Air adopting new fare system where you are charged depending on the booking class you purchase. Have a read: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/othe...y-br-v-ci.html and https://www.china-airlines.com/tw/en...ts/fare-family
Future destinations
- CI plans to operate Seattle from 15JUL24.
Mileage Upgrade no longer applicable to cheap tickets
- From July 2, 2020
You may only upgrade via miles with booking codes Y, B, M, K, Q, T, V for Economy and W, U, A for Premium Economy on all sectors.
Far Eastern Air Transport (FE) - 遠東航空
Ceased operation as of December 13, 2019.
STARLUX Airlines (JX) - 星宇航空
Future destinations
- JX plans to operate Seattle from 17AUG24.
New Lounge at Terminal 2
- First Class Lounge available for First Class passengers only (if not opting for HuanYu Terminal).
Fleet:
13x A321neo
11x A330-900neo (4 currently in service)
10x A350-900 (5 currently in service)
International Airport Gateways
TPE Taipei Taoyuan International Airport - 桃園國際機場
- 2017 China Airlines Network
- A document for Tigerair Taiwan (LCC) will soon be made.
Things to note:
Information may not be up-to-date and is only served as advice. It's best for one to call the airline or check the official website. This thread will only cover carriers not having their own forums operated from Taiwan (not China). It's recommended to read some recent discussions in this page or this section of the forum as they might not yet be updated.
Please visit EVA FT forum for information regards to EVA Air.
Miles Buzz
China Airlines (CI) - 中華航空
Subsidiary: Mandarin Airlines (AE) - 華信航空
Fare Family
- China Airlines has followed the steps of EVA Air adopting new fare system where you are charged depending on the booking class you purchase. Have a read: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/othe...y-br-v-ci.html and https://www.china-airlines.com/tw/en...ts/fare-family
Future destinations
- CI plans to operate Seattle from 15JUL24.
Mileage Upgrade no longer applicable to cheap tickets
- From July 2, 2020
You may only upgrade via miles with booking codes Y, B, M, K, Q, T, V for Economy and W, U, A for Premium Economy on all sectors.
Far Eastern Air Transport (FE) - 遠東航空
Ceased operation as of December 13, 2019.
STARLUX Airlines (JX) - 星宇航空
Future destinations
- JX plans to operate Seattle from 17AUG24.
New Lounge at Terminal 2
- First Class Lounge available for First Class passengers only (if not opting for HuanYu Terminal).
Fleet:
13x A321neo
11x A330-900neo (4 currently in service)
10x A350-900 (5 currently in service)
International Airport Gateways
TPE Taipei Taoyuan International Airport - 桃園國際機場
Information for Airlines based in Taiwan
Jul 9, 2017, 11:32 pm
#616
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I'm seeing the firm orders as well; however, they don't have much time left as option must execute before the end of 2017.
Also, they've been talking about narrowbody renewal that should be announce before the end of last month.
Didn't see that in this year's PAS ........
Wondering what happened ......
Also, they've been talking about narrowbody renewal that should be announce before the end of last month.
Didn't see that in this year's PAS ........
Wondering what happened ......
Jul 10, 2017, 7:15 am
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Jul 10, 2017, 1:47 pm
#618
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Jul 10, 2017, 3:08 pm
#619
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It seems they may have given up on that. The CAL chairman and the Taoyuan Mayor are on some kind of tour in the US, first they stopped at Everett where they talked about the 737MAX, and then they are now in LA visiting CALs cargo facility.
Jul 11, 2017, 6:52 am
#620
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Originally, the proposal for -10 was to match the seat count with A321 NEO; however, customers don't like the idea and they ended up with making -10 lowest per seat mile cost ......
Personally, I still prefer to see CDG traffic right + A320 NEO family combo
Jul 11, 2017, 9:30 am
#621
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A321 NEO has more seat for sure ......
Originally, the proposal for -10 was to match the seat count with A321 NEO; however, customers don't like the idea and they ended up with making -10 lowest per seat mile cost ......
Personally, I still prefer to see CDG traffic right + A320 NEO family combo
Originally, the proposal for -10 was to match the seat count with A321 NEO; however, customers don't like the idea and they ended up with making -10 lowest per seat mile cost ......
Personally, I still prefer to see CDG traffic right + A320 NEO family combo
Plus not all 737 routes are under 2000 miles (directly yes but I think they cant fly over China on this one so it would bring them either over or around 2000 miles). Taipei-Burma is one that comes to mind. Anyway I suppose which ever one gives a lower price would do it. But Boeing can't offer any other possible incentives unlike trying to get CDG with an airbus deal.
One other thing is with both frames your unlikely to get anything in until 2021 at earliest I assume we are talking about B737-10 not the-8.
Jul 11, 2017, 11:30 am
#622
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Since CI does not have any existing 737 Max orders, it likely won't get one sooner than 2021. But that doesn't mean it can't work out a deal with one of the leasing company that has converted its Max8 to Max10.
Jul 11, 2017, 4:37 pm
#623
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A321 NEO has more seat for sure ......
Originally, the proposal for -10 was to match the seat count with A321 NEO; however, customers don't like the idea and they ended up with making -10 lowest per seat mile cost ......
Personally, I still prefer to see CDG traffic right + A320 NEO family combo
Originally, the proposal for -10 was to match the seat count with A321 NEO; however, customers don't like the idea and they ended up with making -10 lowest per seat mile cost ......
Personally, I still prefer to see CDG traffic right + A320 NEO family combo
Jul 12, 2017, 9:54 pm
#624
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Jul 12, 2017, 9:59 pm
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Jul 13, 2017, 12:33 am
#626
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Most likely an option would be for CI to offer a Bangkok to CDG flight if possible. With the hope that BR might give up the route if loses even more money than before with the additional competition. Remember BR is only serving the route at a loss to prevent CI getting in. It was just a couple of years ago that BR even stopped the service for a number of months as demand was so low.
Jul 13, 2017, 1:09 am
#627
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I am not sure it works that way anymore.But it might be purely a French government issue if to allow another carrier into CDG or not. Also I think both carriers serve Amsterdam and yet they are in the EU so each country can have its own choice how to deal with it.
Most likely an option would be for CI to offer a Bangkok to CDG flight if possible. With the hope that BR might give up the route if loses even more money than before with the additional competition. Remember BR is only serving the route at a loss to prevent CI getting in. It was just a couple of years ago that BR even stopped the service for a number of months as demand was so low.
Most likely an option would be for CI to offer a Bangkok to CDG flight if possible. With the hope that BR might give up the route if loses even more money than before with the additional competition. Remember BR is only serving the route at a loss to prevent CI getting in. It was just a couple of years ago that BR even stopped the service for a number of months as demand was so low.
The only reason BR served nonstop was because the French would not allow the BKK stopover. Why would that be any different now? Any how, CDG is a low yielding route from TPE even with high load %s, it'll be down to who drops the route first if they do start it. EVA has money that it can bleed, CI does not. Bowing out of the CDG market for BR would essentially mean giving up in Europe, they would only serve AMS, VIE, and LHR via BKK with little Taiwan traffic onboard.
CI should tread carefully, 90% drop in net income year on year is really bad.
Last edited by hayzel7773; Jul 13, 2017 at 1:31 am
Jul 13, 2017, 2:09 am
#628
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[/QUOTE]
CI should tread carefully, 90% drop in net income year on year is really bad.[/QUOTE]
I didn't see or hear anywhere that the airline dropped its income year on year. If that was true it would be charging its passengers peanuts for any flight.
CI should tread carefully, 90% drop in net income year on year is really bad.[/QUOTE]
I didn't see or hear anywhere that the airline dropped its income year on year. If that was true it would be charging its passengers peanuts for any flight.
Jul 13, 2017, 12:28 pm
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Page 7 of the doc, CAL had a net income of 571,540 compared to the previous year of 5,763,714, which is a 90% drop. Despite the drop, revenues remained the same.
Total gain last year was 26,103 compared to 2015's 7,072,042.
https://www.china-airlines.com/tw/en...cm38-23505.pdf
Last edited by hayzel7773; Jul 13, 2017 at 12:36 pm
Jul 13, 2017, 8:25 pm
#630
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CAL had a really really bad year.
Page 7 of the doc, CAL had a net income of 571,540 compared to the previous year of 5,763,714, which is a 90% drop. Despite the drop, revenues remained the same.
Total gain last year was 26,103 compared to 2015's 7,072,042.
https://www.china-airlines.com/tw/en...cm38-23505.pdf
Page 7 of the doc, CAL had a net income of 571,540 compared to the previous year of 5,763,714, which is a 90% drop. Despite the drop, revenues remained the same.
Total gain last year was 26,103 compared to 2015's 7,072,042.
https://www.china-airlines.com/tw/en...cm38-23505.pdf
Another issue is the airline has been doing more flights to the rest of asia especially south east at the loss of higher margin China flights. BR would also be hurting from this.
I doubt the airline is being too cautious as otherwise they would not have planned double daily A350 flights to SYD which could be considered their 2nd biggest long haul route by seat numbers after LAX.
Last edited by tris06; Jul 13, 2017 at 8:35 pm