freq.flyer

FlyVictor, they have all air hamburg, blink,.. empties - LunaJets, Magellan,... There is a huge list haha

AustinP

Yes. Thank you. ... but -- they are gamey, right? They don't list price. And, when you inquire, the prices are VERY high. Not like $1000, but like $7000.

PbodyPhoto

FlyVictor is a non starter for most. Incredibly high empty leg prices and terrible email response times.

Big4Flyer

In the US you have West Coast Aviation and JetSuite, which both offer empty legs from $499-$999, but availability is only released the day before.

dval44

I have found that Magellan has the same flights as victor but at half the cost. This is my current empty leg "flow"

1.) Jetsmarter
2.) JetSuite Suideals (loaded in evening)
3.) WheelsUp Hot Deals (loaded in evening)
4.) West Coast Aviation next day deals (h/t to whomeever rec'd that!)
5.) Magellan empties (HUGE list with heavies, etc. but often $5k-50k, as opposed to some hundreds for the above options)

Open to a better method!

dordal

Yeah, Jetsuite pioneered the model with the $499 next-day empties. Posted almost every evening about 7pm PT: https://www.jetsuite.com/suitedeal

West Coast Aviation has an email newsletter that offers $599 next-day empties for shorter flights. They're based out of SNA so most are either going to or coming from there. Occasionally they'll have other west coast deals though. They only send the newsletter occasionally; e.g. they did it twice in July. http://www.wcas.aero/

HoboJet is run by a jet management company in Arizona. They occasionally post reasonably priced one-way flights, oftentimes several days or a week+ in advance. They're mostly to/from Arizona... and there are none posted right now. http://hobojet.com/

WheelsUp empties are not available unless you have a $15K membership, and then you still have to purchase them ( somebody correct me if I'm wrong ), so I don't look at them.

I'm not sure where Magellan gets their inventory from, but many of those listed don't actually fly, and prices are close to normal charter prices (for example, an empty from VNY-Napa (APC) is $4100... Jetsmarter and JetSuite both list the retail price of that flight at $5.9K.)

As far as I know, none of the former Jetsmarter operators are elsewhere. Delta Private Jets and the like are just back to flying their empty planes empty.

jason8612

Anything similar like that in Europe?

dval44

Actually, joining the 8760 program ($7k to join) gives you these empties for $317.12 each, but you get the entire plane every time. I am told these planes usually fly as they are WU's own fleet, but I have no data points on that.

Further, you get a free Inspirato membership with 8760, which costs $10k if you buy it straight from Inspirato .

So I am strongly considering getting this membership. Will report back if I do. If one is based in NYC, seems like a no-brainer.

Sykes

i had trial access to 8760 for a while. Two weeks went by and there wasn't a single empty leg I was interested in ... and that was even when they still had TMC empty legs in the app.

dval44

Yes, I'm with you on that. I live in Texas and there is very little.

novaguy16

I'm an 8760 member. If you are considering Inspirato then joining 8760 is a no-brainer. You get the Key membership for $7k and as a bonus you get a "free" peloton, access to some good sporting events, concerts, WU partners, shuttles and empty's for a nominal cost. Most empties are focused on the east and west coasts but there is decent availability and sometimes access to the Helishares twin engine choppers.

I've been reading this thread for a better part of a year and decided not to join JS thanks to many of your posts and feedback. Thus far, I'm happy with 8760 and plan to renew.

dval44

Thanks Novaguy16! I am looking at it much the same way. Waiting for an empty I can use, then 'paying' $7k the plane and then getting a year of perks out of it. Even just a few Inspirato uses and empties will make it worth it for me.

Quick q: What is the renewal rate on 8760? And also, how does the renewal work with Inspirato?

Thanks!

novaguy16

I haven't come up for renewal on 8760 yet, but when I signed up they said my rate was locked for two years. Inspiratio will be renewed at the then current annual rate (which I believe is currently $2400 and they have it slated to increase by $100 per year for the next 3 years - or so I was told).

Inspirato is amazing btw. Fantastic serivce and they're properties are beautiful. The Jaunts can offer some really good values if you have the flexibility.

dordal

Can you see empty legs on 8760 without signing up? I'd looked a long time ago and that didn't seem possible, but maybe they've changed it?

WhyPrivate

Just a thought... rather than spend the $7,000 every year for the opportunity to buy an empty leg at a discount (probably at a non-ideal time and date) why don't you simply spend the $ when you need a trip?

I understand the benefits of this for a heavy-user or a single person that can jump place to place at the drop of a hat .. but for any normal business/family man with obligations, the empty leg "membership" is truly a sham.