ITA Itineraries: Are the always really bookable?
Oct 9, 2008, 6:54 pm
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ITA Itineraries: Are the always really bookable?
I've generated an ITA itinerary online but my local TA can't reproduce the results with the same price. It's about a $2,500 difference, so it's worth some extra leg-work for me. Expedia yields the same price as my TA.
I'd like to know if ITA occasionally generates unbookable fares, or if not, what are some key thing to tell my TA they might be overlooking? The TA is with Carlson Wagonlit, so they are an expert, though sometimes overworked
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I'd like to know if ITA occasionally generates unbookable fares, or if not, what are some key thing to tell my TA they might be overlooking? The TA is with Carlson Wagonlit, so they are an expert, though sometimes overworked
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Los Angeles, CA to Madrid, Spain: 6314 miles 14 hrs 15 min
Air France Flight AF67 on a Boeing 777 (jet) in business class
(meal, breakfast)
Departs Los Angeles, CA (LAX) Tue, Nov 18 10:00p 10 hrs 30 min
Arrives Paris, France (CDG) Wed, Nov 19 5:30p
1 adult in booking code I, covered by fare (A1) below
Layover in Paris 1 hr 45 min
Air France Flight AF2100 on an Airbus A320 (jet) in business class
(meal)
Departs Paris, France (CDG) Wed, Nov 19 7:15p 2 hrs 0 min
Arrives Madrid, Spain (MAD) 9:15p
1 adult in booking code C, covered by fare (A1) below
Note: The flight from Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris (CDG) is overnight.
Note: You must change terminals in Paris (CDG).
Madrid, Spain to Amsterdam, Netherlands: 907 miles 2 hrs 40 min
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Flight KL1698 on a Boeing 737 (jet) in business class
(meal)
Departs Madrid, Spain (MAD) Sat, Nov 22 8:20a 2 hrs 40 min
Arrives Amsterdam, Netherlands (AMS) 11:00a
1 adult in booking code Z, covered by fare (A2) below
Amsterdam, Netherlands to Los Angeles, CA: 5563 miles 11 hrs 0 min
Northwest Airlines Flight NW8601 on a Boeing 747 (jet) in business class
(operated by KLM Royal Dutch Airlines as Flight KL601)
(meal, snack)
Departs Amsterdam, Netherlands (AMS) Wed, Nov 26 1:20p 11 hrs 0 min
Arrives Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 3:20p
1 adult in booking code Z, covered by fare (A2) below
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Booking details
If you want to buy this ticket, it's probably best to use a travel agent (this ticket involves multiple airlines, which can get complicated). If you use a travel agent to buy this ticket:
If your travel agent is online and has an e-mail address, e-mail this itinerary to them
If your travel agent is not online, print out this page and fax/give it to them
It is very important to use exactly the same booking codes and fare codes that we've used on this page in order to match the price we've found.
Fare (A1): AF LAXMAD IUSRT fare (rules) $2906.00
Fare (A2): NW MADLAX ZR fare (rules) $3037.50
Tax: French Aviation Civile Tax 3.92
Tax: French Airport Tax 9.63
Tax: US International Departure Tax $15.40
Tax: US September 11th Security Fee $2.50
Tax: US Passenger Facility Charge $4.50
Tax: Spanish Airport Services Charge 5.10
Tax: Spanish Security Tax 1.61
Tax: USDA APHIS Fee $5.00
Tax: US Immigration Fee $7.00
Tax: US Customs Fee $5.50
Tax: The Netherlands Passenger Service Charge 13.68
Tax: The Netherlands Noise Isolation Charge 2.00
Tax: The Netherlands Security Service Charge 17.47
Tax: The Netherlands Air Passenger Tax 45.00
Tax: US International Arrival Tax $15.40
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Total for 1 adult passenger: $6132.20
(as of Thursday, October 9, 2008 8:18pm; fares loaded Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:03pm)
Fare construction (sometimes useful to travel agents):
LAX AF X/E/PAR AF MAD Q165.00 M 2741.00IUSRT KL AMS NW LAX Q165.00 M 2872.50ZR NUC 5943.50 END ROE 1.00 FARE USD 5944.00 XT 5.50YC 7.00XY 5.00XA 30.80US 2.50AY 18.30FR 6.90JD 2.20QV 23.60CJ 60.70KV 18.50RN 2.70VV 4.50XF LAX4.50
Air France Flight AF67 on a Boeing 777 (jet) in business class
(meal, breakfast)
Departs Los Angeles, CA (LAX) Tue, Nov 18 10:00p 10 hrs 30 min
Arrives Paris, France (CDG) Wed, Nov 19 5:30p
1 adult in booking code I, covered by fare (A1) below
Layover in Paris 1 hr 45 min
Air France Flight AF2100 on an Airbus A320 (jet) in business class
(meal)
Departs Paris, France (CDG) Wed, Nov 19 7:15p 2 hrs 0 min
Arrives Madrid, Spain (MAD) 9:15p
1 adult in booking code C, covered by fare (A1) below
Note: The flight from Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris (CDG) is overnight.
Note: You must change terminals in Paris (CDG).
Madrid, Spain to Amsterdam, Netherlands: 907 miles 2 hrs 40 min
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Flight KL1698 on a Boeing 737 (jet) in business class
(meal)
Departs Madrid, Spain (MAD) Sat, Nov 22 8:20a 2 hrs 40 min
Arrives Amsterdam, Netherlands (AMS) 11:00a
1 adult in booking code Z, covered by fare (A2) below
Amsterdam, Netherlands to Los Angeles, CA: 5563 miles 11 hrs 0 min
Northwest Airlines Flight NW8601 on a Boeing 747 (jet) in business class
(operated by KLM Royal Dutch Airlines as Flight KL601)
(meal, snack)
Departs Amsterdam, Netherlands (AMS) Wed, Nov 26 1:20p 11 hrs 0 min
Arrives Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 3:20p
1 adult in booking code Z, covered by fare (A2) below
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Booking details
If you want to buy this ticket, it's probably best to use a travel agent (this ticket involves multiple airlines, which can get complicated). If you use a travel agent to buy this ticket:
If your travel agent is online and has an e-mail address, e-mail this itinerary to them
If your travel agent is not online, print out this page and fax/give it to them
It is very important to use exactly the same booking codes and fare codes that we've used on this page in order to match the price we've found.
Fare (A1): AF LAXMAD IUSRT fare (rules) $2906.00
Fare (A2): NW MADLAX ZR fare (rules) $3037.50
Tax: French Aviation Civile Tax 3.92
Tax: French Airport Tax 9.63
Tax: US International Departure Tax $15.40
Tax: US September 11th Security Fee $2.50
Tax: US Passenger Facility Charge $4.50
Tax: Spanish Airport Services Charge 5.10
Tax: Spanish Security Tax 1.61
Tax: USDA APHIS Fee $5.00
Tax: US Immigration Fee $7.00
Tax: US Customs Fee $5.50
Tax: The Netherlands Passenger Service Charge 13.68
Tax: The Netherlands Noise Isolation Charge 2.00
Tax: The Netherlands Security Service Charge 17.47
Tax: The Netherlands Air Passenger Tax 45.00
Tax: US International Arrival Tax $15.40
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Total for 1 adult passenger: $6132.20
(as of Thursday, October 9, 2008 8:18pm; fares loaded Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:03pm)
Fare construction (sometimes useful to travel agents):
LAX AF X/E/PAR AF MAD Q165.00 M 2741.00IUSRT KL AMS NW LAX Q165.00 M 2872.50ZR NUC 5943.50 END ROE 1.00 FARE USD 5944.00 XT 5.50YC 7.00XY 5.00XA 30.80US 2.50AY 18.30FR 6.90JD 2.20QV 23.60CJ 60.70KV 18.50RN 2.70VV 4.50XF LAX4.50
Oct 10, 2008, 6:35 pm
#2
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I just trying booking that on Orbitz and came up with a $6,059 fare.
At times, fare buckets can be sold out... but more unusual on business class fares...
At times, fare buckets can be sold out... but more unusual on business class fares...
Oct 10, 2008, 9:13 pm
#3
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Also, fares aren't loaded into all systems simultaneously. There's a "Fares Loaded" component that shows when the airline made the fare available.