Do I have any case?
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2
Do I have any case?
I booked a return flight to Bangkok with lastminute.com on the basis (I believed) that changes were allowed any time for a fee of euro 150.00. The exact fare rules are below:
Fare rules
16 PENALTIES - ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE ON A
HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
PENALTY CONDITIONS APPLY TO THE ENTIRE JOUNEY.
CHANGES ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 150.00.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
NONREROUTEABLE
SAME AS CANCELLATION SO NO REFUND TICKET NO LONGER
VALID
19 CHILDREN DISCOUNTS - CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED
When I have attempted to change the date of the flight I am being told that there are no longer any more flights available in that fare class and unfortunately they cannot help me. I was willing to pay the difference in fare price for fares available at this minute but I've been told the "system" will not allow the change.
Can they really just take my money and offer me no alternative date to fly even if the fare rules state a change is allowed?
Thanks
Fare rules
16 PENALTIES - ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE ON A
HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
PENALTY CONDITIONS APPLY TO THE ENTIRE JOUNEY.
CHANGES ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 150.00.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
NONREROUTEABLE
SAME AS CANCELLATION SO NO REFUND TICKET NO LONGER
VALID
19 CHILDREN DISCOUNTS - CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED
When I have attempted to change the date of the flight I am being told that there are no longer any more flights available in that fare class and unfortunately they cannot help me. I was willing to pay the difference in fare price for fares available at this minute but I've been told the "system" will not allow the change.
Can they really just take my money and offer me no alternative date to fly even if the fare rules state a change is allowed?
Thanks
#2
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You haven't provided any details, such as where the flight is from, what carrier, the fare basis and so on.
But, as a general proposition, you may be able to pay a fee to have the air carrier take over the reservation and make the change. In that case you would pay EUR150 change fee + takeover fee + fare difference to closest available fare.
Remember, you are limited by both the the t&c of the third party site and the air carrier. It may also be cheaper to buy a new ticket than to pay the fees. But, that is all notional without more specific facts.
But, as a general proposition, you may be able to pay a fee to have the air carrier take over the reservation and make the change. In that case you would pay EUR150 change fee + takeover fee + fare difference to closest available fare.
Remember, you are limited by both the the t&c of the third party site and the air carrier. It may also be cheaper to buy a new ticket than to pay the fees. But, that is all notional without more specific facts.
#3
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2
Thanks for the reply.
The flight is from Dublin to Bangkok on a British Airways flight. BA seem unable to help me because the booking was made through an online agent although I have tried as it seems to be BA that will not make the change.
The online agent did try to process a change in date for me but they have told me the system is not allowing them due to this being a certain type of discounted flight rather than the type of flights currently available.
The change would have been a considerable price but less expensive than buying a new ticket with a different airline.
The flight is from Dublin to Bangkok on a British Airways flight. BA seem unable to help me because the booking was made through an online agent although I have tried as it seems to be BA that will not make the change.
The online agent did try to process a change in date for me but they have told me the system is not allowing them due to this being a certain type of discounted flight rather than the type of flights currently available.
The change would have been a considerable price but less expensive than buying a new ticket with a different airline.
#4
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 177
There is sometimes a difference between what is allowed according to the strict interpretation of the rules and what a company will do for you. I don't think it ever hurts to call them up, escalate, and see what, if anything they can do for you. Supervisors and managers have a lot of leeway to use at their discretion. I wouldn't call up and be a jerk, but call up, be nice, and see if you can sweet talk them.
BKK is so much fun. I was there about 10 years ago and can't wait to go back.
Good luck.
BKK is so much fun. I was there about 10 years ago and can't wait to go back.
Good luck.
#5
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 7,560
The ticket is described as non-refundable. It is NOT described as non-upgradeable. They should be able to rebook you in a different fare class.
This is what I would (try to) do...:
Make a note of the booking class and fare basis. The booking class will be a single letter (like M or H or Q), the fare basis is likely to be some combination of letters and numbers such as YSX3M.
Armed with that information contact BA and ask them what their conditions are for that fare basis. If they tell you it's non-upgradeable then this would be a case of Lastminute.com having mis-sold the ticket. I don't know what the law is in Ireland, but certainly here in the UK you would have a case against them, i.e., you should be able to make them fix their mistake at their expense.
Also, do you know if Lastminute have tried to talk to BA or if they merely tried to change your booking in the system and found they couldn't? You should make them TALK to BA. Airlines do still have telephone lines, and I'm sure that the larger ones probably have dedicated telephone lines for agents.
So - Lastminute shouldn't just fob you off. Their conditions don't say that your ticket can't be upgraded to a higher fare class. You are willing to be upgraded to a higher fare class, and if their system won't let you do this then they should talk to the airline and find out why, and find a way of honoring the conditions under which you booked the flight.
This is what I would (try to) do...:
Make a note of the booking class and fare basis. The booking class will be a single letter (like M or H or Q), the fare basis is likely to be some combination of letters and numbers such as YSX3M.
Armed with that information contact BA and ask them what their conditions are for that fare basis. If they tell you it's non-upgradeable then this would be a case of Lastminute.com having mis-sold the ticket. I don't know what the law is in Ireland, but certainly here in the UK you would have a case against them, i.e., you should be able to make them fix their mistake at their expense.
Also, do you know if Lastminute have tried to talk to BA or if they merely tried to change your booking in the system and found they couldn't? You should make them TALK to BA. Airlines do still have telephone lines, and I'm sure that the larger ones probably have dedicated telephone lines for agents.
So - Lastminute shouldn't just fob you off. Their conditions don't say that your ticket can't be upgraded to a higher fare class. You are willing to be upgraded to a higher fare class, and if their system won't let you do this then they should talk to the airline and find out why, and find a way of honoring the conditions under which you booked the flight.
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ireland
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WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE ON A
HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
PENALTY CONDITIONS APPLY TO THE ENTIRE JOUNEY.
HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
PENALTY CONDITIONS APPLY TO THE ENTIRE JOUNEY.