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Old Apr 15, 08, 12:05 am   #1
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OW first class routes thread

As requested.

With the continual reduction in routes offering first class, it may be helpful to have a listing of routes which still have it. This may help some decide between business or first for awards, rtws, etc; as well as assist in route planning.
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Old Apr 15, 08, 12:05 am   #2
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Intercontinental and Transcontinental

Watch out for codeshares and some routes have multiple aircraft types operating (with and without first class).


Names used for First Class
First Class - AA, BA, CX, JJ, JL, KA, MH, QF, QR, US


American Airlines
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 757, A300 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard. Note within North & Central America 2-class aircraft are sold as First for USA and Business for Canada, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean.

Only 3-class flights (777 and 767-200 aircraft) are listed below.

Routes
Between Chicago O'Hare and
Beijing
London Heathrow
Shanghai
Tokyo Narita

Between Dallas Fort Worth and
Buenos Aires
Frankfurt (some flights)
Hong Kong
London Heathrow (some flights)
Madrid (seasonal)
Sao Paulo
Seoul Incheon
Tokyo Narita

Between Los Angeles and
London Heathrow
Shanghai Pudong
Tokyo Narita

Between Miami and
Buenos Aires
London Heathrow
Los Angeles (some flights)
Sao Paulo (some flights)

Between New York JFK and
Buenos Aires
London Heathrow
Los Angeles
San Francisco (some flights)
Sao Paulo
Tokyo Haneda


British Airways
Aircraft type
Only 747, 777 (some) and A380.

Routes
Between London Heathrow and
Abu Dhabi
Abuja
Bahrain
Bangalore
Bangkok
Beijing
Boston
Cairo
Capetown (some flights)
Chicago
Dallas
Delhi (some flights)
Doha
Dubai
Hong Kong
Houston
Johannesburg
Kuwait
Lagos
Los Angeles
Luanda
Mexico City
Miami
Moscow DME
Mumbai
Muscat
New York JFK
Newark (some flights)
Philadelphia (some flights)
Phoenix
Rio de Janiero
San Francisco
Sao Paulo
Seattle
Seoul
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Tel Aviv (some flights)
Tokyo NRT
Toronto (some flights)
Vancouver
Washington IAD (some flights)

Between London Gatwick and
Atlanta (some flights)
Bermuda
Bridgetown
Grenada
New York JFK (not yet started)
Port of Spain
St Lucia
Tobago

Between Abu Dhabi and
Muscat

Between Bahrain and
Doha

Between Bridgetown and
Port of Spain
Tobago

Between St Lucia and
Grenada

Between Singapore and
Sydney


Cathay Pacific
Aircraft type
All 747 variants, 777-300ER (some a/c and not non-ER).

Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Amsterdam
Bangkok (some flights)
Chicago
Frankfurt (some flights)
Jakarta (some flights)
Johannesburg (some flights)
London Heathrow (some flights)
Los Angeles
Manila (some flights)
Milan
New York JFK
Osaka KIX (some flights)
Paris CDG
Rome FCO (some flights)
San Francisco
Seoul Incheon (some flights, northern summer only)
Singapore (some flights)
Taipei (some flights)
Tokyo HND (some flights)
Tokyo NRT (some flights)
Vancouver
Zurich (from March 2015)

Between Bangkok and
Delhi (some flights, irregular)
Singapore

Between Taipei and
Tokyo NRT

Between Vancouver and
New York JFK


Dragonair
Aircraft type
Only A330.

Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Beijing
Kaohsiung
Shanghai
Taipei


Japan Airlines
Aircraft type
772 domestic, 773 (not 777)

Routes
Between Tokyo Haneda and
Chitose
Fukuoka
Okinawa
Osaka ITM

Between Tokyo Narita and
Chicago
Frankfurt
Jakarta
London Heathrow
Los Angeles
New York JFK
Paris CDG


LAN
Aircraft type
None.


Malaysia Airlines
Aircraft type
All A380 and ???

Routes
Between Kuala Lumpur and
London Heathrow
Paris CDG


Qantas
Aircraft type
All A380

Routes
Between Sydney and
Dubai
Hong Kong
London Heathrow (via Dubai)
Los Angeles

Between Melbourne and
Dubai
London Heathrow (via Dubai)
Los Angeles

Between Dubai and
London Heathrow


Qatar
Aircraft type
???

Routes
Between Doha and
London LHR (some flights)
Paris CDG
some intra-Middle East routes have 2-class F


TAM
ceases November 2014

Aircraft type
???

Routes
Between Sao Paulo and
Frankfurt
Lima
Madrid
Mexico City
Miami
Milan
New York JFK
Orlando
Paris CDG


US Airways
Aircraft type
??
Note within North & Central America 2-class aircraft are sold as First for USA and Business for Canada, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean.

No 3-class flights.




Current as at ?. Updated to post #147.

Please advise any errors or omissions. Thanks to all those who have contributed.



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Any help in completing this listing, in particular for AA and CX, is greatly appreciated.
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CX- between HKG and:
SFO
LAX
YVR
NRT (some)
TPE (some)
CDG
LHR
BKK
ADL (some)
MNL (some)
MEL
FCO
DXB
JNB
FRA
YYZ
BOM
KIX (I think)
SYD (some)

between YVR and:
JFK

Between BKK and:
SIN

Between ADL and:
MEL

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Old May 13, 08, 11:06 pm   #5
 
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CX- between HKG and:
DXB (only direct)
JNB (seasonal)
KIX (currently none)

and
TPE - NRT (a daily)
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Old May 14, 08, 3:38 am   #7
 
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Thanks for the thread. Which CX flight has F between SYD-HKG?

I think F is also available between SYD and Buenos Aires on QF (when the route starts in Nov).
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Old May 14, 08, 3:45 am   #8
 
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Cathay Pacific
Aircraft type
All 747 variants, 777-300ER (but not non-ER), A346, some A343, some A333.
Aircraft with First Class are:

744 - F12/J47/Y324
74A - F9/J46/Y324 *new seats
74J - F12/J65/Y268

77A - F6/J57/Y238 *new seats

346 - F8/J60/Y220

34C - F8/J30/Y206

333 - F8/J32/Y211

NB. All 744s and 74Js will undergo 74A conversion. All 346s will leave CX by October 2008. 34C/34D/333 will undergo conversion to new seats but will be two-class only. i.e. 33B and 34B
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Old May 14, 08, 3:53 am   #9
 
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In the BA list these flights should be removed:

Calgary
Chennai
Denver
Dhaka
Islamabad
Kolkata
Montreal

and

Delhi (some flights)

should be altered
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Old May 14, 08, 4:55 am   #10
 
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In the BA list these flights should be removed:
Looking at the LGW flights the only routes with F are;

Atlanta (selected days IIRC)
Bermuda
Barbados

all others are 3 Class with Club, WT+ and WT cabins.

LGW-JFK will have F when it stars.

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Cathay Pacific
Between Taipei and
Tokyo NRT (some flights)
Only 1 flight a day for Taipei-Narita, and it always has 1st class.
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IMHO, for AA the list should only include "all 777 flights" and "all 767-200 flights" (the only planes in the fleet with 3 classes of service) as opposed to "all mainline flights".

I don't think anyone looking at this post is looking to see that a ORD-LGA MD-80 flight has a front cabin sold as F/A (since even those in DONEx products get to book A), as much as true F service offered in 3 class flights.

A rough list of those 3 class flights:

767-200
JFK-BDA
JFK-LAX
JFK-MIA (one flight)
JFK-SFO (some flights)

777-200
BOS-LHR
BOS-MIA (seasonal--may not come back)
BOS-SDQ (Sat. only, seasonal)
DFW-FRA
DFW-LHR (one flight 767-300 this summer)
DFW-MIA (seasonal--may not come back)
DFW-ORD
JFK-GRU
JFK-LHR
JFK-NRT
LAX-LHR
LAX-NRT
MIA-DFW (seasonal--may not come back)
MIA-GRU (some flights)
MIA-LAX (one flight, seasonal)
MIA-LHR
MIA-EZE
ORD-DEL
ORD-DFW (one flight)
ORD-DME
ORD-LHR
ORD-NRT
ORD-PEK (2009)
ORD-PVG
RDU-LHR
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You missed DFW-NRT for AA 777-200 First Class service.
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Old May 14, 08, 5:49 pm   #14
 
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I believe CX also has First on one flight from SIN-HKG (flight 716) which is operated using a 747
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Dragonair offers 3-class service with F on flights using their 11 Airbus 330s.
http://www.dragonair.com/da/en_INTL/...nterior/a330_1

The time table includes available classes but includes CX flights as well.
http://downloads.dragonair.com/ka/ti...xtimetable.pdf

At quick glance I found flights from HKG to PEK, KHH, PVG, TPE.
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