Aug 1, 2016, 1:42 pm
Last edit by: Kiwi Flyer
Intercontinental and Transcontinental
Watch out for codeshares and some routes have multiple aircraft types operating (with and without first class).
Names used for First Class
First Class - AA, BA, CX, JL, KA, QF, QR
Some airlines (e.g. BA, QF) also simply brand it as First
Business Suites - MH
American Airlines
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 10 Hawaii 757 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard.
Only 20 777-300ER and 17 A321T aircraft with 3 class First are listed below.
(All 777-200ER / 772 have been refitted and have no F cabin.)
Routes
Between Chicago O'Hare and
NONE
Between Dallas Fort Worth and
Hong Kong
London Heathrow (2 of 3 flights)
Between Los Angeles and
Hong Kong (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between Miami and
Buenos Aires (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between New York JFK and
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Los Angeles (all flights)
San Francisco (all flights)
Sao Paulo
British Airways
Aircraft type
747, 777 (some), 789 and A380.
Routes
Between London Heathrow and
Abu Dhabi
Abuja
Atlanta
Austin
Bahrain
Bangalore
Beijing
Boston
Cairo
Cape Town
Chicago
Dallas
Delhi (some flights)
Denver
Doha
Dubai
Hong Kong
Houston
Johannesburg
Kuala Lumpur
Kuwait
Lagos
Los Angeles
Luanda
Mexico City
Miami
Moscow DME
Mumbai
Muscat
New York JFK
Newark (some flights)
Philadelphia (some flights)
Phoenix
Santiago SCL
San Diego
San Francisco
San Jose SJC
Sao Paulo
Seattle
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Tel Aviv (some flights)
Tokyo HND
Tokyo NRT
Toronto (some flights)
Vancouver
Washington IAD (some flights)
Between London Gatwick and
Bermuda
Bridgetown
Grenada
Port of Spain
St Lucia
San Jose SJO
Between St Lucia and
Grenada
Port of Spain
Between Singapore and
Sydney
Cathay Pacific
Aircraft type
777-300ER (33 frames out of 53)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Boston
Chicago
Frankfurt
Jakarta (some flights May to October 2018)
London Heathrow (some flights)
Los Angeles (some flights)
Milan
New York JFK
Paris CDG (some flights)
San Francisco (some flights)
Tokyo HND (some flights)
Vancouver (some flights)
Zurich
Between Vancouver and
New York JFK
Dragonair
Aircraft type
A330 (some flights only)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Beijing
Kaohsiung
Shanghai
Taipei
Japan Airlines
Aircraft type
domestic 772 (W15/W16) 14 seats (2-2-2)
domestic 763 (A25) 5 seats (2-1-2)
international 773 (W84) 8 seats (1-2-1)
Routes
Between Tokyo Haneda and
Chitose
Fukuoka
Okinawa
Osaka ITM
London Heathrow
New York JFK
Paris CDG
San Francisco
Between Tokyo Narita and
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York JFK
LATAM
None
Malaysia Airlines
Aircraft type
A380
Routes
Between Kuala Lumpur and
London Heathrow
Qantas
Aircraft type
A380 (but some flights sold without F e.g. occasional SYD-HKG)
Routes
Between Sydney and
Dallas
Hong Kong (some flights)
London Heathrow (via Singapore)
Los Angeles
Between Melbourne and
Los Angeles (QF93/94 only)
Singapore
Between Singapore and
London Heathrow
Qatar
Aircraft type
A330 (only one), A380
Routes
Between Doha and
Bangkok (seasonal, some flights)
London LHR (some flights)
Guangzhou
Melbourne (seasonal - Northern Winter)
Paris CDG (1 flight/day)
Sydney (seasonal - Northern Winter)
some intra-Middle East routes have 2-class F (J seat, J food and J wine sold as F)
Last updated: 14APR2018
Updated to post: 235
Updated AA flights 24APR2018
Watch out for codeshares and some routes have multiple aircraft types operating (with and without first class).
Names used for First Class
First Class - AA, BA, CX, JL, KA, QF, QR
Some airlines (e.g. BA, QF) also simply brand it as First
Business Suites - MH
American Airlines
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 10 Hawaii 757 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard.
Only 20 777-300ER and 17 A321T aircraft with 3 class First are listed below.
(All 777-200ER / 772 have been refitted and have no F cabin.)
Routes
Between Chicago O'Hare and
NONE
Between Dallas Fort Worth and
Hong Kong
London Heathrow (2 of 3 flights)
Between Los Angeles and
Hong Kong (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between Miami and
Buenos Aires (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between New York JFK and
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Los Angeles (all flights)
San Francisco (all flights)
Sao Paulo
British Airways
Aircraft type
747, 777 (some), 789 and A380.
Routes
Between London Heathrow and
Abu Dhabi
Abuja
Atlanta
Austin
Bahrain
Bangalore
Beijing
Boston
Cairo
Cape Town
Chicago
Dallas
Delhi (some flights)
Denver
Doha
Dubai
Hong Kong
Houston
Johannesburg
Kuala Lumpur
Kuwait
Lagos
Los Angeles
Luanda
Mexico City
Miami
Moscow DME
Mumbai
Muscat
New York JFK
Newark (some flights)
Philadelphia (some flights)
Phoenix
Santiago SCL
San Diego
San Francisco
San Jose SJC
Sao Paulo
Seattle
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Tel Aviv (some flights)
Tokyo HND
Tokyo NRT
Toronto (some flights)
Vancouver
Washington IAD (some flights)
Between London Gatwick and
Bermuda
Bridgetown
Grenada
Port of Spain
St Lucia
San Jose SJO
Between St Lucia and
Grenada
Port of Spain
Between Singapore and
Sydney
Cathay Pacific
Aircraft type
777-300ER (33 frames out of 53)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Boston
Chicago
Frankfurt
Jakarta (some flights May to October 2018)
London Heathrow (some flights)
Los Angeles (some flights)
Milan
New York JFK
Paris CDG (some flights)
San Francisco (some flights)
Tokyo HND (some flights)
Vancouver (some flights)
Zurich
Between Vancouver and
New York JFK
Dragonair
Aircraft type
A330 (some flights only)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Beijing
Kaohsiung
Shanghai
Taipei
Japan Airlines
Aircraft type
domestic 772 (W15/W16) 14 seats (2-2-2)
domestic 763 (A25) 5 seats (2-1-2)
international 773 (W84) 8 seats (1-2-1)
Routes
Between Tokyo Haneda and
Chitose
Fukuoka
Okinawa
Osaka ITM
London Heathrow
New York JFK
Paris CDG
San Francisco
Between Tokyo Narita and
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York JFK
LATAM
None
Malaysia Airlines
Aircraft type
A380
Routes
Between Kuala Lumpur and
London Heathrow
Qantas
Aircraft type
A380 (but some flights sold without F e.g. occasional SYD-HKG)
Routes
Between Sydney and
Dallas
Hong Kong (some flights)
London Heathrow (via Singapore)
Los Angeles
Between Melbourne and
Los Angeles (QF93/94 only)
Singapore
Between Singapore and
London Heathrow
Qatar
Aircraft type
A330 (only one), A380
Routes
Between Doha and
Bangkok (seasonal, some flights)
London LHR (some flights)
Guangzhou
Melbourne (seasonal - Northern Winter)
Paris CDG (1 flight/day)
Sydney (seasonal - Northern Winter)
some intra-Middle East routes have 2-class F (J seat, J food and J wine sold as F)
Last updated: 14APR2018
Updated to post: 235
Updated AA flights 24APR2018
OW first class routes thread
Jun 30, 2009, 6:42 am
#47
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other AA equipment downgrades (--)/upgrades (++) this winter:
Buenos Aires-Montevideo (763++>772) 19NOV09
Chicago-Brussels (772-->763) 26AUG09
JFK-Buenos Aires (763++>772) 19NOV09
JFK-Sao Paulo-Rio de Janeiro (772-->763) 19NOV09
Miami-Santiago (763++>772) 19NOV09
Raleigh-Heathrow (772-->763) already happened
Boston-Heathrow (772-->763) already happened??
Buenos Aires-Montevideo (763++>772) 19NOV09
Chicago-Brussels (772-->763) 26AUG09
JFK-Buenos Aires (763++>772) 19NOV09
JFK-Sao Paulo-Rio de Janeiro (772-->763) 19NOV09
Miami-Santiago (763++>772) 19NOV09
Raleigh-Heathrow (772-->763) already happened
Boston-Heathrow (772-->763) already happened??
Aug 7, 2009, 8:34 pm
#49
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Location: MEL
Programs: QF OWE, HH D, HGP D, Starriott Plat, AA/LM/SQ/VA/QF/AS/BA
Posts: 251
That's a real shame. Does that mean that if I book my AONEX now while that route still offers First, does JL then have to honour First class even at their expense? (ie. NRT-HKG-SIN). Or would they simply say stiff sh8T, you now fly biz.
Aug 8, 2009, 1:59 pm
#50
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Original Poster
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If there was a reasonable alternative you should be offered that, however there may not be any in which case you fly business and *should* be given some compensation for the invol downgrade.
Aug 8, 2009, 4:05 pm
#51
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: NL
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 192
That is only the case if you already have a flight booked in first after Oct 25. If you book a ticket now, you cannot book the flight in first, so you fly in biz.
A workaround might be to use the QF codeshare of the JL NRT-SIN flight, as that still seems bookable in first.
A workaround might be to use the QF codeshare of the JL NRT-SIN flight, as that still seems bookable in first.
Sep 7, 2009, 7:15 pm
#52
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: People's Republic of HotTubistan
Posts: 1,408
The QF website and OAG now show First restored to QF73/74 between SYD and SFO effective 1 Feb 2010. The website will accept a booking, and it says it's in First (with price to match) but I haven't independently verified that the "temporary" suspension of First is actually ending.
Haven't checked the other suspension routes either.
Anyone else have any news about the QF plans?
Haven't checked the other suspension routes either.
Anyone else have any news about the QF plans?
Sep 7, 2009, 8:04 pm
#53
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F is currently showing on all three route from February 1st.
Last edited by serfty; Sep 7, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Sep 8, 2009, 10:47 am
#54
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Sep 9, 2009, 2:57 am
#56
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But I find it very hard to justify AONEn tickets now that CX has clearly demonstrated than it has no commitment whatsoever to regional F.
Dec 5, 2009, 7:45 am
#57
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Valencia, Spain
Posts: 806
New CX route HKG-MXP with F
CX is starting HKG-MXP from March 2010 with 777-300ER.
Is this the first new route with F for some time?
Limited use for AONEx though, as I don't think there is any other OW flight from MXP with F.
Happy Travels.
Is this the first new route with F for some time?
Limited use for AONEx though, as I don't think there is any other OW flight from MXP with F.
Happy Travels.
Dec 11, 2009, 7:07 pm
#58
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 15
American Airlines
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 757, A300 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard. Note within North & Central
Kiwi, You mentioned that 777 first class is of poor standard, I was looking at the ORD to LHR flight, I have never flown AA first class, but fly UA first class often, can you compare the two for me. Thanks.
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 757, A300 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard. Note within North & Central
Kiwi, You mentioned that 777 first class is of poor standard, I was looking at the ORD to LHR flight, I have never flown AA first class, but fly UA first class often, can you compare the two for me. Thanks.
Dec 11, 2009, 7:18 pm
#59
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Dec 11, 2009, 8:37 pm
#60
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 7,895
American Airlines
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 757, A300 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard. Note within North & Central
Kiwi, You mentioned that 777 first class is of poor standard, I was looking at the ORD to LHR flight, I have never flown AA first class, but fly UA first class often, can you compare the two for me. Thanks.
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 757, A300 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard. Note within North & Central
Kiwi, You mentioned that 777 first class is of poor standard, I was looking at the ORD to LHR flight, I have never flown AA first class, but fly UA first class often, can you compare the two for me. Thanks.
