You have to dig through pages and pages of comments to find a service which is up. Can somebody put up a sticky on the first page of this tread with the links to the calculator?
The OW useful reference links sticky has a link to both the tool and the thread, in the section near the top for "Unofficial OW Website". Why that section and not the RTW section you may ask? Because the validator is useful for far more than just xONEx planning.
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Tool has different interpretation of rule compared to OW itn planner
I have been playing around, as one does, with various routings which I may or may not be taking in the future and discovered the following anomaly.
If you put the routing JNB-LHR-IST-LHR-MCT-LHR-SIN-NRT-HKG-YYZ-DFW-SEA-DFW-YVR-JFK-LHR-NBO into Mileage Monkey it reports that everything is OK.
However if I put the same routing in the OW calculator it says I need to add one more surface sector to get back to JNB.
Looking at the OW rules it states:
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneworld.com
(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point,
except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows
(a) within the country of origin
(b) within the Middle East
(c) between the United States and Canada
(d) between HKG and China
(e) between Malaysia and SIN
(f) within Africa
My understanding of the above is that a last surface sector is required to get back to the point of origin. This of course, since the rules changed, would count as one of the 16. It is this interpretation that the OW Itn Planner is using.
However just to confuse the issue if I take out the YVR-JFK-LHR and replace with YVR-LHR and add a surface sector NBO-JNB in the OW Itn Planner then it says it is valid. It also states that I have only used 15 of my 16 sectors.
Does anyone have any experience of how this really should be interpreted?
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Originally Posted by serfty
IME, "Mileagemonkey" is generally more au fait with the rules the the "oneworld planner".
"(f) within Africa" is your friend here ...
Yes I understand that but OW rules state "....must terminate at the same point,
except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:..."
Does that last surface segment between detination and origin not count as one of the 16? The rules now count surface sectors when they did not do so in the past.
Surely we'd have heard a few screams by now from people looking, for example, to start and end in different US cities if this were the case? I haven't heard/seen any.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moomba
Yes I understand that but OW rules state "....must terminate at the same point,
except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:..."
Does that last surface segment between detination and origin not count as one of the 16? The rules now count surface sectors when they did not do so in the past.
This question has been asked and answered many times in the past. That final 'surface' segment does not count towards the 16, despite some appearances to the contrary. As an example, I got my full quota with an itinerary starting in CPT & finishing in DAR. Absolutely no question of knocking off a segment to get back to CPT.
The Starfile wording on this point is hardly a model of clarity, but that also applies elsewhere within that 'document'. The rules as practically interpreted by the carriers are what really count, and FT is a superb forum for disseminating their interpretations to this community.
I hope this is the correct place for this. I have used this tool extensively and think it is one of the best things on the web. Iam planning some India work and trying to ensure I can keep on OW and I tried to do some mileage calcs to Jaipur - JAI - and the city was not recognised. I know I wont be able to fly into Jaipur on OW but I can make some connecions so it would be great to know the distance from various places to JAI.
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AY's E70 and E90 offer J if flown on a J-route; similarly 319/320/321 do not offer J if flown on Y-only route. (and this even applies to terrible 75Ws and FinnComm's ER4s) All narrow-bodies are in movable curtain configuration, and the classes offer only depend on the route - aircraft has no significance. I'm pretty sure the same is applicable to BA/IB/MA narrow-bodies at least to some extent.
Thanks - the trouble is, I don't know which the AY Y-only routes are . If anyone can give me a list, or even better a method of working it out (e.g. distances less than a certain amount) I can incorporate it into MM.
We did establish that although BA domestics have Y-only cabins, that they do sell J tickets for those which do come with the associated benefits (lounge access, points etc.) - so you only miss out on the cabin really for these. Hence MM treats all BA services (aircraft type permitting) as having J as well as Y.
I hope this is the correct place for this. I have used this tool extensively and think it is one of the best things on the web. Iam planning some India work and trying to ensure I can keep on OW and I tried to do some mileage calcs to Jaipur - JAI - and the city was not recognised. I know I wont be able to fly into Jaipur on OW but I can make some connecions so it would be great to know the distance from various places to JAI.
I've added JAI to the cities database (which is separate to the flights database), so you should be able to do this now. I'm glad you find MM useful - note that most of the credit rests with hauteboy as the original creator.
. If anyone can give me a list, or even better a method of working it out (e.g. distances less than a certain amount) I can incorporate it into MM.
