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FYI recent experiences booking an ex-CPT DONE5

FYI recent experiences booking an ex-CPT DONE5

Old Mar 25, 2015, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what your posts are showing. They seem to be pricing different itineraries that have different carriers, although the ex-LHR itin might be the same? If so, I'm surprised to see BA's surcharges being less than AA's.
Sorry, I meant to clean that up.

The basic routing for all four examples was the same, just with varying origins in an effort the get the "Carrier Surcharges".

To isolate these:

Code:
1. BA Ex JNB:  JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB

Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:606.00 ZAR
Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:2,776.00 ZAR

(~USD285)

2. CX ex LAX: LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX

Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:48.00 USD

3.  AA ex LHR: LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR

Carrier Surcharge/Fee:329.00 GBP
Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP

(~USD540)

4.  BA ex LHR: LHR-(BA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR

Carrier Surcharge/Fee:164.50 GBP
Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP
Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:99.70 GBP

(~USD440)

Last edited by serfty; Mar 26, 2015 at 3:13 pm Reason: missed a bit - thankyou jbalmuth
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Old Mar 26, 2015, 8:37 am
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Thanks! I'm surprised to see BA so much lower than AA (~$195 vs ~$540), given the common wisdom here.

Originally Posted by serfty
Sorry, I meant to clean that up.

The basic routing for all four examples was the same, just with varying origins in an effort the get the "Carrier Surcharges".

To isolate these:

Code:
1. BA Ex JNB:  JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB

Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:606.00 ZAR
Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:2,776.00 ZAR

(~USD285)

2. CX ex LAX: LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX

Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:48.00 USD

3.  AA ex LHR: LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR

Carrier Surcharge/Fee:329.00 GBP
Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP

(~USD540)

4.  BA ex LHR: LHR-(BA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR

Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP
Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:99.70 GBP

(~USD195)
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Old Mar 26, 2015, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Thanks! I'm surprised to see BA so much lower than AA (~$195 vs ~$540), given the common wisdom here.
That's because it might not be accurate.

1. In his "isolation" process (mail #61), Serfty has accidentally left off the GBP 164.50 of Carrier Surcharge/Fee in his example #4, clearly visible in mail 49.

2. In mail 49, there is an internal discrepancy calling into question whether example #4 reflects BA or AA. At the top of that mail, Itinerary #3, identified as AA, has GBP 531 in added surcharges and taxes, while Itinerary #4, identified as BA, has GBP 596 in additional charges. However, at the bottom of that same mail, the detail section, the added amounts have been reversed: Itinerary #3 has GBP 596 in additional charges and Itinerary #4 has GBP 531.

In any case, the difference between the two itineraries is only GBP 65 (and not USD 345), and given the internal discrepancy in mail 49, I suspect that we don't know which (AA or BA) is actually cheaper.
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Old May 3, 2015, 9:11 am
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Old May 7, 2015, 10:56 am
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New Ex-South Africa Credit Card Restriction?

Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"

Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.

"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."

Anyone else hear anything about this?
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Old May 8, 2015, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
.....so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."

Anyone else hear anything about this?
I purchased two AONEs starting in CPT a few weeks ago via BA. I used a US CC and booked it via the UK BA Gold line. No such problems.
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Old May 8, 2015, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"

Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.

"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."

Anyone else hear anything about this?
Nothing's stopping you from switching your billing address to ZA for a while.
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Old May 8, 2015, 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"

Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.

"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."

Anyone else hear anything about this?
The AA rtw desk agents have occasionally said things like this in the past. I find it is best not to debate the issue with them.
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Old May 8, 2015, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"

Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.

"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."

Anyone else hear anything about this?
Amex does not verify the billing country on their CC transactions.

In my experience they do not even check the address!
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Old May 12, 2015, 10:34 am
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Originally Posted by BobbySteel
Nothing's stopping you from switching your billing address to ZA for a while.
Perhaps a hotel. AA didn't say how long you had to stay at that address.
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Old May 16, 2015, 1:37 pm
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Pandaperth and others: should one even consider QR for ticketing a xONEx ticket from Africa? I have not checked the OW booking site recently, but will it work if there are QR flights in the middle or does it require no QR flights?
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Old May 16, 2015, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
Pandaperth and others: should one even consider QR for ticketing a xONEx ticket from Africa? I have not checked the OW booking site recently, but will it work if there are QR flights in the middle or does it require no QR flights?
The on-line tool works fine with QR flights anywhere in the itinerary except the first flight.

My current DONE5 has 6 QR flights in it; the first flight was with BA (CPT-JNB), so that airline ticketed it for me.

Read the first post in this thread for a description of my failed attempt to get QR to ticket the itinerary (I was wanting my first flight to be CPT-DOH). I guess it's always worth a try - if you do then please let us know how successful you are.
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Old Sep 12, 2015, 10:24 am
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Now British Airways is causing me strife

Since I started this DONE5 back in January I have successfully made a couple of minor changes by phoning BA (the changes were just carrier changes - to get the AA codeshare I wanted, and a couple of date changes)

Now I want to re-route the final six segments
Originally they were
- …BKK-AMM-TUN-DOH-CMN-DOH-NBO
And I now want
- ...BKK-xDOH-CMN-xDOH-OSL-xDOH-NBO

And I am being told that the change I want is against the rules
That if I leave Africa via the Middle East (I started with CPT-JNB-DOH-...)
And I re-enter Africa via the Middle East (...DOH-NBO)
Then I cannot fly to Europe


I've spent two one-hour phone calls discussing this with supervisors without getting them to see that it is wrong
It is going to passed to the "Fares Team" - this after I pointed out that my original routing was ticketed and does have flights to Europe (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are defined to be in the Europe Zone of the Europe/Missile East Continent)

I'll let you know how I go
JAXBA if you see this post, I'd be interested in hearing your take on it
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Old Sep 12, 2015, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Since I started this DONE5 back in January I have successfully made a couple of minor changes by phoning BA (the changes were just carrier changes - to get the AA codeshare I wanted, and a couple of date changes)

Now I want to re-route the final six segments
Originally they were
- …BKK-AMM-TUN-DOH-CMN-DOH-NBO
And I now want
- ...BKK-xDOH-CMN-xDOH-OSL-xDOH-NBO

And I am being told that the change I want is against the rules
That if I leave Africa via the Middle East (I started with CPT-JNB-DOH-...)
And I re-enter Africa via the Middle East (...DOH-NBO)
Then I cannot fly to Europe


I've spent two one-hour phone calls discussing this with supervisors without getting them to see that it is wrong
It is going to passed to the "Fares Team" - this after I pointed out that my original routing was ticketed and does have flights to Europe (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are defined to be in the Europe Zone of the Europe/Missile East Continent)

I'll let you know how I go
JAXBA if you see this post, I'd be interested in hearing your take on it
The relevant rules are
Code:
            - FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA -
            ONE OF THE FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS PERMITTED
            3.2.1 (doesn't apply since ZA is included)
            3.2.2 AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA
            ONE OF THE VISITS TO MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A
            TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE
            PREVIOUS OR NEXT CONTINENT.
            3.3.3 AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR
            AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA TRAVEL MAY
            NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN
            EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST
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Old Sep 12, 2015, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Calchas
The relevant rules are
Code:
            - FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA -
            ONE OF THE FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS PERMITTED
            3.2.1 (doesn't apply since ZA is included)
            3.2.2 AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA
            ONE OF THE VISITS TO MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A
            TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE
            PREVIOUS OR NEXT CONTINENT.
            3.3.3 AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR
            AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA TRAVEL MAY
            NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN
            EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST
Yes I know that
My itinerary (both the original and the new one I want) satisfy 3.2.2
BA (or at least the last supervisor I spoke to) is saying that because the text I highlighted does not explicitly say the word 'Europe' then flights to/from the Europe Zone of the continent are not allowed
I'm saying the rule is only discussing the restrictions on the to/from Africa flights and do not restrict the intra-continent flights (the continent of Europe/Middle East that is)
By comparison, 3.2.3 DOES restrict the intra-continent flights - but my itinerary does not fall under that rule
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