FYI recent experiences booking an ex-CPT DONE5
#61
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The basic routing for all four examples was the same, just with varying origins in an effort the get the "Carrier Surcharges".
To isolate these:
Code:
1. BA Ex JNB: JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:606.00 ZAR Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:2,776.00 ZAR (~USD285) 2. CX ex LAX: LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:48.00 USD 3. AA ex LHR: LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR Carrier Surcharge/Fee:329.00 GBP Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP (~USD540) 4. BA ex LHR: LHR-(BA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR Carrier Surcharge/Fee:164.50 GBP Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:99.70 GBP (~USD440)
Last edited by serfty; Mar 26, 2015 at 3:13 pm Reason: missed a bit - thankyou jbalmuth
#62
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Thanks! I'm surprised to see BA so much lower than AA (~$195 vs ~$540), given the common wisdom here.
Sorry, I meant to clean that up.
The basic routing for all four examples was the same, just with varying origins in an effort the get the "Carrier Surcharges".
To isolate these:
The basic routing for all four examples was the same, just with varying origins in an effort the get the "Carrier Surcharges".
To isolate these:
Code:
1. BA Ex JNB: JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:606.00 ZAR Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:2,776.00 ZAR (~USD285) 2. CX ex LAX: LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-LAX Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:48.00 USD 3. AA ex LHR: LHR-(AA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR Carrier Surcharge/Fee:329.00 GBP Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP (~USD540) 4. BA ex LHR: LHR-(BA)-LAX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-JNB-(BA)-LHR Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:32.60 GBP Multiple Carrier Surcharges/Fees:99.70 GBP (~USD195)
#63
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1. In his "isolation" process (mail #61), Serfty has accidentally left off the GBP 164.50 of Carrier Surcharge/Fee in his example #4, clearly visible in mail 49.
2. In mail 49, there is an internal discrepancy calling into question whether example #4 reflects BA or AA. At the top of that mail, Itinerary #3, identified as AA, has GBP 531 in added surcharges and taxes, while Itinerary #4, identified as BA, has GBP 596 in additional charges. However, at the bottom of that same mail, the detail section, the added amounts have been reversed: Itinerary #3 has GBP 596 in additional charges and Itinerary #4 has GBP 531.
In any case, the difference between the two itineraries is only GBP 65 (and not USD 345), and given the internal discrepancy in mail 49, I suspect that we don't know which (AA or BA) is actually cheaper.
#65
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New Ex-South Africa Credit Card Restriction?
Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
#66
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I purchased two AONEs starting in CPT a few weeks ago via BA. I used a US CC and booked it via the UK BA Gold line. No such problems.
#67
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Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
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Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
#69
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Was just talking to AA RTW desk re an AONE4 ex-JNB on a different issue. "You do understand, sir, that you must use a credit card with a South Africa billing address to have this itinerary priced in ZAR, right?"
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
Well, no, I explained to her, that's never been a requirement before and I don't see it in the rules.
"I'm going to update your record to reflect that I have advised you. You see, sir, so many people have been doing this that they're starting to crack down on people buying these tickets in South Africa."
Anyone else hear anything about this?
In my experience they do not even check the address!
#72
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My current DONE5 has 6 QR flights in it; the first flight was with BA (CPT-JNB), so that airline ticketed it for me.
Read the first post in this thread for a description of my failed attempt to get QR to ticket the itinerary (I was wanting my first flight to be CPT-DOH). I guess it's always worth a try - if you do then please let us know how successful you are.
#73
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Now British Airways is causing me strife
Since I started this DONE5 back in January I have successfully made a couple of minor changes by phoning BA (the changes were just carrier changes - to get the AA codeshare I wanted, and a couple of date changes)
Now I want to re-route the final six segments
Originally they were
- …BKK-AMM-TUN-DOH-CMN-DOH-NBO
And I now want
- ...BKK-xDOH-CMN-xDOH-OSL-xDOH-NBO
And I am being told that the change I want is against the rules
That if I leave Africa via the Middle East (I started with CPT-JNB-DOH-...)
And I re-enter Africa via the Middle East (...DOH-NBO)
Then I cannot fly to Europe
I've spent two one-hour phone calls discussing this with supervisors without getting them to see that it is wrong
It is going to passed to the "Fares Team" - this after I pointed out that my original routing was ticketed and does have flights to Europe (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are defined to be in the Europe Zone of the Europe/Missile East Continent)
I'll let you know how I go
JAXBA if you see this post, I'd be interested in hearing your take on it
Now I want to re-route the final six segments
Originally they were
- …BKK-AMM-TUN-DOH-CMN-DOH-NBO
And I now want
- ...BKK-xDOH-CMN-xDOH-OSL-xDOH-NBO
And I am being told that the change I want is against the rules
That if I leave Africa via the Middle East (I started with CPT-JNB-DOH-...)
And I re-enter Africa via the Middle East (...DOH-NBO)
Then I cannot fly to Europe
I've spent two one-hour phone calls discussing this with supervisors without getting them to see that it is wrong
It is going to passed to the "Fares Team" - this after I pointed out that my original routing was ticketed and does have flights to Europe (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are defined to be in the Europe Zone of the Europe/Missile East Continent)
I'll let you know how I go
JAXBA if you see this post, I'd be interested in hearing your take on it
#74
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Since I started this DONE5 back in January I have successfully made a couple of minor changes by phoning BA (the changes were just carrier changes - to get the AA codeshare I wanted, and a couple of date changes)
Now I want to re-route the final six segments
Originally they were
- …BKK-AMM-TUN-DOH-CMN-DOH-NBO
And I now want
- ...BKK-xDOH-CMN-xDOH-OSL-xDOH-NBO
And I am being told that the change I want is against the rules
That if I leave Africa via the Middle East (I started with CPT-JNB-DOH-...)
And I re-enter Africa via the Middle East (...DOH-NBO)
Then I cannot fly to Europe
I've spent two one-hour phone calls discussing this with supervisors without getting them to see that it is wrong
It is going to passed to the "Fares Team" - this after I pointed out that my original routing was ticketed and does have flights to Europe (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are defined to be in the Europe Zone of the Europe/Missile East Continent)
I'll let you know how I go
JAXBA if you see this post, I'd be interested in hearing your take on it
Now I want to re-route the final six segments
Originally they were
- …BKK-AMM-TUN-DOH-CMN-DOH-NBO
And I now want
- ...BKK-xDOH-CMN-xDOH-OSL-xDOH-NBO
And I am being told that the change I want is against the rules
That if I leave Africa via the Middle East (I started with CPT-JNB-DOH-...)
And I re-enter Africa via the Middle East (...DOH-NBO)
Then I cannot fly to Europe
I've spent two one-hour phone calls discussing this with supervisors without getting them to see that it is wrong
It is going to passed to the "Fares Team" - this after I pointed out that my original routing was ticketed and does have flights to Europe (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are defined to be in the Europe Zone of the Europe/Missile East Continent)
I'll let you know how I go
JAXBA if you see this post, I'd be interested in hearing your take on it
Code:
- FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA - ONE OF THE FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS PERMITTED 3.2.1 (doesn't apply since ZA is included) 3.2.2 AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA ONE OF THE VISITS TO MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE PREVIOUS OR NEXT CONTINENT. 3.3.3 AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST
#75
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The relevant rules are
Code:
- FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA -
ONE OF THE FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS PERMITTED
3.2.1 (doesn't apply since ZA is included)
3.2.2 AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA
ONE OF THE VISITS TO MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE
PREVIOUS OR NEXT CONTINENT.
3.3.3 AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR
AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA TRAVEL MAY
NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN
EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST
My itinerary (both the original and the new one I want) satisfy 3.2.2
BA (or at least the last supervisor I spoke to) is saying that because the text I highlighted does not explicitly say the word 'Europe' then flights to/from the Europe Zone of the continent are not allowed
I'm saying the rule is only discussing the restrictions on the to/from Africa flights and do not restrict the intra-continent flights (the continent of Europe/Middle East that is)
By comparison, 3.2.3 DOES restrict the intra-continent flights - but my itinerary does not fall under that rule