LONEX/DONEX. how about SYD-LHR direct flight?

[Jasper2009]

Here´s a question for the experts:

When booking a direct flight such as SYD(-SIN/BKK)-LHR is this considered as touching 2 or 3 regions when it comes to determining the number of regions on a XONEY booking?

E.g. would LHR-LAX-SYD(-BKK/SIN)-LHR be charged as a XONE3 or XONE4 fare (where SYD-LHR is operated under one flight number)

Thanks in advance!

[jerry a. laska]

Originally Posted by Jasper2009

Here´s a question for the experts:

When booking a direct flight such as SYD(-SIN/BKK)-LHR is this considered as touching 2 or 3 regions when it comes to determining the number of regions on a XONEY booking?

E.g. would LHR-LAX-SYD(-BKK/SIN)-LHR be charged as a XONE3 or XONE4 fare (where SYD-LHR is operated under one flight number)

Thanks in advance!

It is one segment or sector but it counts as another continent. You touch it, you pay for it. There's even a rule:

(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered travelling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.

http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...r%201dec12.pdf

See also:
Do stops on "direct" service increase the continent count?

[Mwenenzi]

Very clear in the rules: BKK/SIN counts as a continent (3 regions) even if you continue on. LHR-LAX-SYD-(BKK/SIN)-LHR is 4 regions

[Jasper2009]

Thanks for the fast replies.

Too bad, guess I´ll have to start all over again planning my RTW....

[og]

It means you are forced into a xONE4 or greater if you include SWPacific (ie Australia).

[SQ421]

Has OW updated their definitions to indicate whether a SYD-DXB flight still touches "Asia"; considering DXB is in "Europe" for xONEx purposes.

[pandaperth]

Originally Posted by SQ421

Has OW updated their definitions to indicate whether a SYD-DXB flight still touches "Asia"; considering DXB is in "Europe" for xONEx purposes.

Not so far
latest version of the rules (1 Dec 2012) here (see rule 4(k))
(on a quick skim - I cannot spot any changes from the previous version)

[moa999]

DXB is in Middle East.

The current says travel SWP to Europe/Middle East on a single flight number (eg. the new QF SYD/MEL-DXB services) are treated as three continents.

No rule change is needed unless they want to remove this

[Mwenenzi]

As past 2 above rule 4k does not need to change
OW never mentioned "touch Asia" :- that's FT jargon. Rule can still apply if you do physically touch Asia.
Middle East in the clause is a change made sometime. ME was not in 2009 published rules

(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered traveling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.

[henry999]

Originally Posted by Jasper2009

...guess I´ll have to start all over again planning my RTW....

A good place to start might be in getting a copy of the rules and becoming familiar with them.

cheers,

Henry

[pandaperth]

Originally Posted by moa999

DXB is in Middle East.

The current says travel SWP to Europe/Middle East on a single flight number (eg. the new QF SYD/MEL-DXB services) are treated as three continents.

No rule change is needed unless they want to remove this

I think what we are hoping for is that they remove it and thus we will not be charged the extra continent when travelling on the QF non-stops MEL/SYD-DXB/LHR (and when Qatar joins, its non-stops from PER and MEL to DOH)
Such a flight will be just another 'diagonal' inter-continental flight - like CX's JNB-HKG, QF's TPACs and the various Sth America-Europe flights. IMHO it would be hard for OW to justify continuation of the rule. But of course OW might think differently

[moa999]

I agree here is an argument for the rules TO change, as these flights do not indeed 'touch' Asia,

but the addition of the flights themselves/ or indeed Qatar joining, does not mean the rules need to change, the rules already cover the flights.

[Himeno]

Originally Posted by pandaperth

IMHO it would be hard for OW to justify continuation of the rule. But of course OW might think differently

They'd have to create and file xONE3 prices from a number of southern hemisphere origins.
Might be too hard for them.

[pandaperth]

Originally Posted by Himeno

They'd have to create and file xONE3 prices from a number of southern hemisphere origins.
Might be too hard for them.

Only three countries I think - Australia, New Zealand and New Caledonia

but yes, even that might be too hard for them

[Himeno]

Originally Posted by pandaperth

Only three countries I think - Australia, New Zealand and New Caledonia

but yes, even that might be too hard for them

and Africa. No way on Oneworld currently across the Atlantic without going via Europe.