'Canadian exception'' for oneworld RTWs ELIMINATED
Nov 7, 2012, 9:12 am
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'Canadian exception'' for oneworld RTWs ELIMINATED
I have just been on the phone with a supervisor at the AA RTW desk trying to get my ex-CAI DONE4 rated for ticketing in Canada. He informed me that the exception has been eliminated, effective 1 November. And sure enough, the latest version of the rule sheet, dated 1 November, no longer contains this loophole.
http://www.oneworld.com/oneworld/......rer_1Nov12.pdf
cheers,
Henry
Anybody know a good travel agent in Egypt?
http://www.oneworld.com/oneworld/......rer_1Nov12.pdf
cheers,
Henry
Anybody know a good travel agent in Egypt?
Nov 7, 2012, 10:00 am
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I have just been on the phone with a supervisor at the AA RTW desk trying to get my ex-CAI DONE4 rated for ticketing in Canada. He informed me that the exception has been eliminated, effective 1 November. And sure enough, the latest version of the rule sheet, dated 1 November, no longer contains this loophole.
http://www.oneworld.com/oneworld/......rer_1Nov12.pdf
cheers,
Henry
Anybody know a good travel agent in Egypt?
http://www.oneworld.com/oneworld/......rer_1Nov12.pdf
cheers,
Henry
Anybody know a good travel agent in Egypt?
From aa.com:
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Ticket Sales Centers - Egypt Cairo 92A El Tahrir St. Saridar Complex 5th floor Suite 65A, Dokki Cairo, Egypt 202 333 73495 Telephone 202 333 73499 Reservations 202 3337 1277 Fax
Nov 7, 2012, 4:13 pm
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Canada isn't going to be too happy with that. It was in there due to Canadian laws...
The within EEC clause is also gone.
"Middle East" has been added to
(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered travelling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.
They had better damn well fix the online tool then.
I wonder how much business they will lose due to the removal of that exception?
The within EEC clause is also gone.
"Middle East" has been added to
(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered travelling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.
They had better damn well fix the online tool then.
I wonder how much business they will lose due to the removal of that exception?
Nov 7, 2012, 4:24 pm
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Canada isn't going to be too happy with that. It was in there due to Canadian laws...
The within EEC clause is also gone.
"Middle East" has been added to
(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered travelling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.
They had better damn well fix the online tool then.
I wonder how much business they will lose due to the removal of that exception?
The within EEC clause is also gone.
"Middle East" has been added to
(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered travelling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.
They had better damn well fix the online tool then.
I wonder how much business they will lose due to the removal of that exception?
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.
Nov 7, 2012, 4:27 pm
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Canada isn't going to be too happy with that. It was in there due to Canadian laws...
The within EEC clause is also gone.
"Middle East" has been added to
(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered travelling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.
They had better damn well fix the online tool then.
I wonder how much business they will lose due to the removal of that exception?
The within EEC clause is also gone.
"Middle East" has been added to
(k) Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface is considered travelling SWP-Asia-Europe/Middle East through three continents.
They had better damn well fix the online tool then.
I wonder how much business they will lose due to the removal of that exception?
Nov 7, 2012, 11:34 pm
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Nov 8, 2012, 12:16 am
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Well at least they performed their root cause analysis over the KRT fares effectively (e.g. changing KRT to an appropriately valued USD fare, thereby removing further Sudanese pound currency fluctuations, and at the same time removing the ticketing loophole that allowed these tickets!).
Nov 8, 2012, 3:47 am
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I am in the middle of planning my first xONEx. In the past I have done a fair number of *A RTWs. *A used to have the Canadian exception too. Then, at one point, the entire country-of-origin, country-of-sale wording was dropped from the rules; in 2008 I was able to buy and ticket in Finland an ex-NRT itinerary at the Japanese price. I haven't had occasion to check the *A rules for a while but looking at the latest version now, I see that the country-of-origin, country-of-sale restrictions are back -- but without the Canadian exception.
Makes the whole 'due to Canadian law' explanation (which was my understanding too) kind of empty. Maybe the free-trade modernisers in Canada changed the law?
cheers,
Henry
Makes the whole 'due to Canadian law' explanation (which was my understanding too) kind of empty. Maybe the free-trade modernisers in Canada changed the law?
cheers,
Henry
Nov 8, 2012, 5:14 am
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WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN ONE COUNTRY AND THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE WILL BE THAT APPLICABLE FROM THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE AT THE BANKERS SELLING RATE.
THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM THE COUNTRY OF SALE.
Also, IMHO the wording of the *A rule is much clearer that the wording of the OW rule, which is:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
And for such fares, the issue of the fare perhaps being lower than in the country of sale does not arise?
Nov 8, 2012, 5:31 am
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I have a copy of the rules from Dec-2007 and most of this rule was there then
In about Nov-2010 the words "/or by surface" were added - see post #119 in this thread
IIRC there has been some discussion* on whether this rule will change when QF starts flying non-stop MEL/SYD-DXB-LHR. It would seem pretty hard to claim this is flying via Asia. But no doubt that's what QF will want
*in the relevant thread in the QF forum; the discussion was more focussed on whether xONE3 fares will be able to include SWP
Nov 8, 2012, 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by henry999
The important difference between this wording and the wording in Oneworld ticket rules is that *A rules do NOT then go one to state ...
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Nov 8, 2012, 5:37 am
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On the Canada Exception itself
My earliest (Dec-2007) copy of the rules had these words at the end of Clause 15 - bolded and underlined as shown
So perhaps that's when they were added to the rules
And in Nov-2012 they were removed
My earliest (Dec-2007) copy of the rules had these words at the end of Clause 15 - bolded and underlined as shown
Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada
And in Nov-2012 they were removed
Nov 8, 2012, 5:49 am
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Well at least they performed their root cause analysis over the KRT fares effectively (e.g. changing KRT to an appropriately valued USD fare, thereby removing further Sudanese pound currency fluctuations, and at the same time removing the ticketing loophole that allowed these tickets!).
(I can only see such fares by using the KVS tools, and in that I must specify which currency I want the tool to use. AFAIK there is no way to get KVS to show the 'base' currency)