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Old Jun 24, 12, 3:18 pm   #1
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Welcome LATAM... (LA/JJ to merge)

So what implications to LA's Oneworld alliance. Will JJ disappear from *A?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18560343

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Chile's Lan and Brazil's Tam merge to create huge airline

Latam will be Latin America's biggest airline. Chile's Lan airline has completed a takeover of Brazil's Tam, creating the world's second largest airline by market value, to be known as Latam....
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Old Jun 24, 12, 10:24 pm   #2
 
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Even though many of us believe that JJ will have to exit *A due to the ruling of Chilean government, the website still claims this to be undecided. However, choices are only between OW and *A, so definately not ST.

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About the alliances status
Did you already decide with what alliance LATAM Airlines Group will stay (oneworld or Star Alliance)?

We are carefully evaluating this issue and hope to make a decision within the next months and within the deadline set by the authorities, which expires at the end of 2014, taking into account the alternative that offers the best benefits for the Group, its passengers and cargo customers.
http://www.latamairlinesgroup.net/ph...136&p=irol-faq
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Old Jun 24, 12, 10:28 pm   #3
 
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Even though many of us believe that JJ will have to exit *A due to the ruling of Chilean government, the website still claims this to be undecided. However, choices are only between OW and *A, so definately not ST.



http://www.latamairlinesgroup.net/ph...136&p=irol-faq
They have to leave Star. Under the merger conditions, it is illegal for Tam to remain in Star. The choice is between JJ joining Oneworld or becoming independent.
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Old Jun 25, 12, 8:40 am   #4
 
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Avianca-TACA joined Star Alliance the other day and a Chilean court said that the LATAM group may not be in the same alliance as them, so it's Oneworld, Syteam or unaffiliated for TAM.

Some reports suggest TAM may stay unaffiliated in order to keep many codeshares with Star members as well as Oneworld members, however TAM still could keep codesharing with some Star members even if they do join Oneworld.
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Old Jun 25, 12, 4:36 pm   #5
 
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In Folha de S. Paulo they quoted the LATAM chairman as admitting that TAM would leave Star. He also said that the choice was between OW and remaining independent. LAN would remain in OW. I saw further speculation on another industry website that TAM would use the possibility of independence to negotiate a deal with OW that would allow it to keep its codeshares with Star airlines even upon entering OW.
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I didn't think OW stopped codeshares with other alliance members?

Pretty sure QF codeshares with China Eastern (skyteam) and Alitalia (skyteam)
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Old Jun 25, 12, 5:26 pm   #7
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Even though many of us believe that JJ will have to exit *A due to the ruling of Chilean government, the website still claims this to be undecided.
While the ultimate future is undecided for the TAM portion of the company (and possibly the LAN side, too), one thing which is certain is that within the next 24 months (from last Thursday) they will leave *A. Executives have acknowledged this need for TAM to leave Star Alliance as well. It is happening.

Codeshares exist outside of Alliance deals.
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I didn't think OW stopped codeshares with other alliance members?

Pretty sure QF codeshares with China Eastern (skyteam) and Alitalia (skyteam)
QF has a codeshares with a number of Star and Sky members, in addition to codeshares with most oneworld members.
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Tam leaves star alliance!!!!!!!
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/interna...alliance.shtml
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I didn't think OW stopped codeshares with other alliance members?

Pretty sure QF codeshares with China Eastern (skyteam) and Alitalia (skyteam)
Uh...I think QF codeshares with AF but not AZ. However, yeah, cross-alliance code-share are not so rare, not to even mention the CX+KA-CA JV between HKG and Mainland China. MX also joined OW while keeping its FFP partnership with LH and NZ.
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I don't see why TAM can't keep agreements with Star partners, if they make economic sense then they should keep them whilst also codesharing with Oneworld airlines.

Oneworld seem very liberal with cross-alliance codeshares, and cross alliance codeshares are very common in all alliances. Just because airlines belong to the same alliance doesn't mean they are obligated to coeshare with every alliance member and not co-operate with any airlines outside from the alliance.

Qantas and AF are good examples, QF would rather put their code on Air France flights rather than a codeshare with Cathay Pacific. In Star SQ doesn't co-operate with Thai, United, Aegean, Continental, Adria etc....
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Sao Paulo will be the main international hub. LAN and its subsidiaries (Peru, Argentina, Colombia and Ecuador) "will feed" the international flights of TAM. This network will allow the launch of ten new flights by 2013.

"These are flights that are not justified without the feeder network of LAN," says Amaro.
Can I put LATAM flights GRU-CPT/JNB on the wishlist please?
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