Musings ORD-DEL flight on a xONEn - it's like a Circle Pacific ticket - only better
Jun 30, 2010, 8:34 pm
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Musings ORD-DEL flight on a xONEn - it's like a Circle Pacific ticket - only better
Musings ORD-DEL flight on a xONEn - makes it like a Circle Pacific ticket - only better
The wording of the rule regarding this flight is:
There has been previous discussion on this - see for instance 3-continent-oneworld-explorer-australia-new-zealand - where the view was that Europe was being charged for even though it wouldn't/couldn't be touched.
That discussion occurred before the on-line booking tool came along. I have been playing with itineraries using the tool and it seems that while the minimum continent rule IS applied, if you actually visit the minimum number of continents then Europe is NOT added as yet an extra one.
My musings:
The ORD-DEL flight is stated to be transatlantic – therefore the ORD-DEL is an Eastbound flight and DEL-ORD is Westbound. Taking the flight means you cannot visit, or originate from, either Africa or Europe and it of course means that you are visiting both Asia (DEL at least) and Nth America (ORD at least).
So from my playing with the on-line booking tool, it seems that:
The wording of the rule regarding this flight is:
4(m) Nonstop transatlantic travel on AA between DEL and ORD is permitted.
For travel ex South America/South West Pacific - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 Continent Fare must be charged.
For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged.
For travel ex South America/South West Pacific - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 Continent Fare must be charged.
For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged.
That discussion occurred before the on-line booking tool came along. I have been playing with itineraries using the tool and it seems that while the minimum continent rule IS applied, if you actually visit the minimum number of continents then Europe is NOT added as yet an extra one.
My musings:
The ORD-DEL flight is stated to be transatlantic – therefore the ORD-DEL is an Eastbound flight and DEL-ORD is Westbound. Taking the flight means you cannot visit, or originate from, either Africa or Europe and it of course means that you are visiting both Asia (DEL at least) and Nth America (ORD at least).
So from my playing with the on-line booking tool, it seems that:
- If originating in either Asia or North America, you can construct itineraries that are:
- 2-continent (Asia & Nth Am only - but you'll be charged for 3-continents)
- 3-continent (adding either Sth Am or SWP), or
- 4-continent (adding the other southern hemisphere continent)
- If originating in SWP or Sth Am, you can construct itineraries that are:
- 3-continent (home continent, Asia & Nth Am - but you'll be charged for 4-continents), or
- 4-continent (adding the other southern hemisphere continent)
Jun 30, 2010, 10:22 pm
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So from my playing with the on-line booking tool, it seems that:
So from my playing with the on-line booking tool, it seems that:
- If originating in either Asia or North America, you can construct itineraries that are:
- 2-continent (Asia & Nth Am only - but you'll be charged for 3-continents)
- 3-continent (adding either Sth Am or SWP), or
- 4-continent (adding the other southern hemisphere continent)
- If originating in SWP or Sth Am, you can construct itineraries that are:
- 3-continent (home continent, Asia & Nth Am - but you'll be charged for 4-continents), or
- 4-continent (adding the other southern hemisphere continent)
Furthermore:
- starting in Asia or N/A you can go, say, ASIA-N/A-S/A-SWP-ASIA and be charged for 4 continents.
- starting in SWP or S/A you can go, say, SWP-xN/A-S/A-N/A-ASIA-SWP and be charged for 4 continents.
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Jun 30, 2010, 11:18 pm
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Thanks panda and serfty! This allows for some really nice options. Are you sure that NA-SA-NA is allowed? I guess there is nothing in the rules preventing it if it is just a transfer.
Jun 30, 2010, 11:24 pm
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- can originate/terminate in any country (to/from which OW flies) in any of the four continents
- can make use of the 2nd Nth American entry exception
- Caribbean, Bermuda and Central America are allowed in the itinerary
- can travel West of Thailand in Asia (in fact must travel to India)
- no MPM considerations
- less restrictive stopover restrictions- can have max of 2 in continent of origin, 4 in each of SWP, Sth Am and Asia, 6 in NAM and 16 segments total
- can have multiple stopovers at a point
- can buy on-line, with any country of origin (from/to which OW flies) in any of the 4 continents
- can construct an itinerary that has Sth Am but does not have SWP
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Jun 30, 2010, 11:28 pm
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(of course I never went through to completing the purchases - so there could be a gotcha later in the process?)
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Jul 1, 2010, 5:12 am
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On the other hand, if originating in Asia or Nth Am then you can purchase a 3-continent fare that includes those three continents (Asia, Nth Am and SWP)
Using sagy's spreadsheet:
- LONE3 fares ex- Asia or ex-Nth Am aren't worth it; cheapest is ~AUD3,200 - compared to AUD3,699 for a LONE4 ex-Australia
- DONE3 fares are better -cheapest are <~AUD8,000 compared to AUD11,490 for a DONE4 ex-Aus
Jul 2, 2010, 11:37 am
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Am I missing something, but a DONE4 ex-Israel is $7200 while a DONE3 ex-DPS is $8537? Maybe ex-MNL at $7905 is a better comparison. Unless getting to Israel (or Jordan for that matter) is more than the price difference.
Editted to add: The date on the fare estimates is now 1-Jun-2010. I think there was a price increase on that date. I vaguely remember that the Israel and Jordan prices being lower than currently listed.
Editted to add: The date on the fare estimates is now 1-Jun-2010. I think there was a price increase on that date. I vaguely remember that the Israel and Jordan prices being lower than currently listed.
Jul 2, 2010, 8:27 pm
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I was under the impression that even with ORD-DEL-HKG-USA that a xONE3 was still required. Thus including SWP would require a xONE4.
The rules state area 1 - area 2 - area 3 in sequence (forward or backward). Which paraphrases what serfty stated above. Even so the LONE4 ex NZ is still a bargain.
Perhaps wandering too far
Fred
The rules state area 1 - area 2 - area 3 in sequence (forward or backward). Which paraphrases what serfty stated above. Even so the LONE4 ex NZ is still a bargain.
Perhaps wandering too far
Fred
Jul 3, 2010, 11:48 am
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I was under the impression that even with ORD-DEL-HKG-USA that a xONE3 was still required. Thus including SWP would require a xONE4.
The rules state area 1 - area 2 - area 3 in sequence (forward or backward). Which paraphrases what serfty stated above. Even so the LONE4 ex NZ is still a bargain.
Perhaps wandering too far
Fred
The rules state area 1 - area 2 - area 3 in sequence (forward or backward). Which paraphrases what serfty stated above. Even so the LONE4 ex NZ is still a bargain.
Perhaps wandering too far
Fred
To repeat - the wording of the rule is:
4(m) Nonstop transatlantic travel on AA between DEL and ORD is permitted.
For travel ex South America/South West Pacific - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 Continent Fare must be charged.
For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged.
For travel ex South America/South West Pacific - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 Continent Fare must be charged.
For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged.
Jul 4, 2010, 3:47 pm
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So this means with optimizing NA segments you should be able to reach 60000 base miles in a three continent with this great find, Cudos to PANDAPERTH, for example I have 56811 but not optimized in NA
CGK-NRT-DEL-ORD-ANC-DFW-JFK-YVR-DFW-EZE-LIM-IPC-SCL-JFK-HKG-NRT-CGK, I guess you could swap IPC for Caracas
Prices up at 9158 USD with taxes of 617.00 not bad especially if you AUD could get back into the 90's, still can't see me moving my expensive travel from the lovely US airways promo's
CGK-NRT-DEL-ORD-ANC-DFW-JFK-YVR-DFW-EZE-LIM-IPC-SCL-JFK-HKG-NRT-CGK, I guess you could swap IPC for Caracas
Prices up at 9158 USD with taxes of 617.00 not bad especially if you AUD could get back into the 90's, still can't see me moving my expensive travel from the lovely US airways promo's
Jul 4, 2010, 6:27 pm
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NICE!
As pointed about above - if originating dunnunder, then you'll pay a 4-continent fare, even if the itinerary is only 3-continent
On the other hand, if originating in Asia or Nth Am then you can purchase a 3-continent fare that includes those three continents (Asia, Nth Am and SWP)
Using sagy's spreadsheet:
On the other hand, if originating in Asia or Nth Am then you can purchase a 3-continent fare that includes those three continents (Asia, Nth Am and SWP)
Using sagy's spreadsheet:
- LONE3 fares ex- Asia or ex-Nth Am aren't worth it; cheapest is ~AUD3,200 - compared to AUD3,699 for a LONE4 ex-Australia
- DONE3 fares are better -cheapest are <~AUD8,000 compared to AUD11,490 for a DONE4 ex-Aus
Great work...thanks!
Jan 12, 2012, 11:41 pm
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Ah well...
AA it seems is to drop its ORD-DEL service, and so it will no longer be possible to have an xONE3 that includes a southern hemisphere continent (SAM or SWP), or an xONE4 that comprises NAM-SAM-SWP-ASA
I wonder if anyone actually purchased such an itinerary?
So - it's back to every xONEn having to include Europe
at least until MH joins, and then only if it still has its CPT-EZE service
(but IIRC that also is to be dropped
)
AA it seems is to drop its ORD-DEL service, and so it will no longer be possible to have an xONE3 that includes a southern hemisphere continent (SAM or SWP), or an xONE4 that comprises NAM-SAM-SWP-ASA
I wonder if anyone actually purchased such an itinerary?
So - it's back to every xONEn having to include Europe
at least until MH joins, and then only if it still has its CPT-EZE service
(but IIRC that also is to be dropped
)
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