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Old Jul 7, 09, 8:39 pm   #676
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Quite. But it (the Constitution) is not the only law, it is the basis for our laws. It itself is based on other laws, laws from other nations and other times.
Proof positive that Ron has absolutely no knowledge of early American history.
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Old Jul 7, 09, 8:42 pm   #677
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What you have done is provide support for my argument that airport security should be the exclusive province of law enforcement officers, the overwhelming majority of whom understand the constitutional limits on government power as well as any lawyer. When security is left to ill-educated and untrained amateurs, who are given what, in their minds, is unlimited authority "to keep us safe," abuses can, and frequently do, result, with no increase in safety.
We should seriously consider compiling a list of TSORon's "greatest hits" - his top 10 most egregiously incorrect assertions of law, and post them over at PV to see what Blogger Bob thinks of it.
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Old Jul 7, 09, 8:44 pm   #678
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Shhhh, he's in the hole and hasn't figured out that he should stop digging any deeper.
LOL, at this point TSORon is making Kip Hawley look rational by comparison.
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Old Jul 7, 09, 8:48 pm   #679
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LOL, at this point TSORon is making Kip Hawley look rational by comparison.
Ary you saying that I should scrawl TRIAI on my baggie?
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Old Jul 7, 09, 10:19 pm   #680
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Ary you saying that I should scrawl TRIAI on my baggie?
Well, he did go to the Kip Hawley school of screening ...
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Old Jul 7, 09, 10:21 pm   #681
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We should seriously consider compiling a list of TSORon's "greatest hits" - his top 10 most egregiously incorrect assertions of law, and post them over at PV to see what Blogger Bob thinks of it.
Does the internet have that much bandwidth?
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Old Jul 8, 09, 4:16 am   #682
 
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Old Jul 8, 09, 5:38 am   #683
 
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I am curious. Could you give me an example of what you consider to be a "legitimate question" that you might ask as part of the administrative search procedure?
"Is this your bag?"
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Old Jul 8, 09, 5:46 am   #684
 
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And here I, too, thought England's Magna Carta was one of the documents that the Constitution of the United States was based on.

Damn! All that education washed down the drain! It's dem lib'rls fault!!!
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Old Jul 8, 09, 6:58 am   #685
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We should seriously consider compiling a list of TSORon's "greatest hits" - his top 10 most egregiously incorrect assertions of law, and post them over at PV to see what Blogger Bob thinks of it.
Actually, I'm almost surprised that no one from TSA HQ has tried to track him down and advise him, as some of his fellow TSOs have done here, to keep his fingers off the keyboard.
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Old Jul 8, 09, 7:00 am   #686
 
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Actually, I'm almost surprised that no one from TSA HQ has tried to track him down and advise him, as some of his fellow TSOs have done here, to keep his fingers off the keyboard.
Probably because he's doing exactly what HQ wants.
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Old Jul 8, 09, 7:55 am   #687
 
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"Is this your bag?"
I was thinking of question relating to how to open something or in which compartment something suspicious might be, both of which are aimed at speeding things up, but produce verifyable answers.

Your example is actually quite interesting. Although indeed routine and necessary, if the bag in question has been determined to have some item that is prohibited (e.g., a gun), answering it could be incriminating!
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Old Jul 8, 09, 9:04 am   #688
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I guess I'm not the only one that was in class that day.
You may have been in class, but you weren't paying attention.

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In the United States, Sovereignty resides in the people, who act through the organs established by the Constitution. -- Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall 419, 471; Penhallow v. Doane's Administrators, 3 Dall 54, 93; McCullock v. Maryland, 4 Wheat 316, 404, 405; Yick Yo Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370.
When you say "the Constitution is not the only law, it is the basis for our laws," you demonstrate an appalling lack of understanding about the form and function of the Constitution. The laws that govern our daily life flow from the authority set out in the Constitution. None of the words in the Constitution are without force and effect, except those superseded by amendments, unless such amendments are repealed. Except for the statement of purpose in the preamble, every word was intended by the Framers to be legally normative, and not just advisory, declaratory, aspirational, or exhortatory.

Yes, it is "based on other laws, laws from other nations and other times," but those other documents have limited precedential value. When Congress writes a law, they don't check to see if it comports with the Magna Carta.

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And here I, too, thought England's Magna Carta was one of the documents that the Constitution of the United States was based on.

Damn! All that education washed down the drain! It's dem lib'rls fault!!!
Don't forget the Articles of Confederation.
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Old Jul 8, 09, 9:43 am   #690
 
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Actually, I'm almost surprised that no one from TSA HQ has tried to track him down and advise him, as some of his fellow TSOs have done here, to keep his fingers off the keyboard.
As long as they do it when they are not working or using TSA computers, you can't tell an employee what to do during non-work hours.
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