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Something tells me you're smart enough to know that that is a false analogy. Islam is as much to blame for terrorism as all whites are for apartheid. And there is no such thing as Muslim terrorism.
Wouldn't you like to be wrong?
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Something tells me you're smart enough to know that that is a false analogy.
LOL. That one stung a bit I see.
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Islam is as much to blame for terrorism as all whites are for apartheid.
I am not blaming all of Islam for Islamic terror, although I realize you must cling to that particular falsehood to play the "Racist!!, Bigot!!" gambit.
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And there is no such thing as Muslim terrorism.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Perhaps you should see a doctor - perhaps even Dr. Ayman al-Zwahiri - about that credibility hemorrhage you just had....
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You know, you could wait until everyone is safely out before starting the post-attack bickering? Some of us have people out there who are extremely worried about loved ones...
I completely agree if you want to have some rubbish bickering take it to another thread.
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Just been looking at the news. The historic wing of the Taj looks like it has been very badly damaged. Authorities are claiming to have ended the hostage situation at the Taj though. They also claim to have arrested a number of the attackers (if true, then they got themselves some live ones).
Edited to add: It looks like the Oberoi Towers rather than the Oberoi (newer more luxurious hotel next door) that got the brunt of the attack on that side of the peninsula.
Just been looking at the news. The historic wing of the Taj looks like it has been very badly damaged. Authorities are claiming to have ended the hostage situation at the Taj though. They also claim to have arrested a number of the attackers (if true, then they got themselves some live ones).
Good. Any other holdouts (w/hostages) still out there? Or is everyone safe now?
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Good. Any other holdouts (w/hostages) still out there? Or is everyone safe now?
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Too messy to tell at the moment. Surprisingly, the best pictures of what's going on seem to be coming from the English language arm of Al Jazeera.
I'm familiar with both hotels though they are both meant to have been made a lot more secure since I was last out there (which makes the apparent effectiveness of the attack surprising).
I call Bullsh*t. My point was about certain of the adherents of the "Religion of Peace", which you must, of course, ignore b/c you're trying to get to the "BIGOTRY!! RACISM!!" St. Vitus Dance just as quickly a possible.
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I am not blaming all of Islam for Islamic terror, although I realize you must cling to that particular falsehood to play the "Racist!!, Bigot!!" gambit.
Backpedal much? Please point me to such qualification in your first post in this thread (partially reproduced below).
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If the adherents of the "Religion of Peace" were a little more, y'know, *PEACEFUL*
Also, please point out where I accused you of racism or bigotry.
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Meanwhile, when the Quakers (who belong to the *REAL* religion of peace) burn down embassies and the Amish fly jet liners into office towers, I will hold them to the same standard.
Red herring.
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There were 17 UN SC Resolutions on Iraq in between Gulf Wars I & II. If you can show me the UN SC Resolution(s) authorizing 9/11, etc., including this latest bit (regardless as to what persons of whatever faith (if any) are behind it) and I will concede the point.
How convenient that the US can veto any resolution that it doesn't like! And I'm sure you know that for the most part, the resolutions you refer to were orchestrated by the US. Also, the US shows only contempt for the authority of the UN, unless the UN toes the US line. So it's somewhat hypocritical to imply that UN resolutions somehow justify the illegal and immoral actions of the US, don't you think?
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Yes, it would be refreshing if you did.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Perhaps you should see a doctor - perhaps even Dr. Ayman al-Zwahiri - about that credibility hemorrhage you just had....
Cheap shots and insults are the last refuge of those who have nothing else to fall back on. Thank you for making it obvious that you have no substantive argument.
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so, how many of you now see my viewpt on eradication of Islam? I have family in BOM and my sister in law is there for a wedding and staying at the SPG property.
She is fine, but all wedding plans are now cancelled and they are moving to Pune.
I have also talked to afriend in BOM and he said that they are now going to hospitals and killing the sick and wounded...commandos on ground.
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so, how many of you now see my viewpt on eradication of Islam? I have family in BOM and my sister in law is there for a wedding and staying at the SPG property.
She is fine, but all wedding plans are now cancelled and they are moving to Pune.
I have also talked to afriend in BOM and he said that they are now going to hospitals and killing the sick and wounded...commandos on ground.
Are we supposed to know what your "viewpt on eradication of Islam" is?
Should Hinduism also be eradicated because of incidents such as this? Or this?
FWIW, I have family in BOM too. And I am traveling to India next week to visit family.
It really is time for the world to put an end to this BS. That means that the USA quits acting as the world's dictator of what is right and wrong and listen to the global community.
Most people, Muslim, Jews, Christian, Hindu, atheists want to live their lives without fear and want to care about their day to day business.
As one person on IBN said clearly paraphrased, "yes this is terrorism, but you say missiles dropping from the sky is not." A different country but demonstrating why that belief exists.
It is not time for the US to take a stand, it is time for the world to take a stand and the US is just another player.
Screw the shoe and liquid carnivals and act along with your fellow nations to do something substantive.
It really is time for the world to put an end to this BS. That means that the USA quits acting as the world's dictator of what is right and wrong and listen to the global community.
Most people, Muslim, Jews, Christian, Hindu, atheists want to live their lives without fear and want to care about their day to day business.
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It is not time for the US to take a stand, it is time for the world to take a stand and the US is just another player.
Screw the shoe and liquid carnivals and act along with your fellow nations to do something substantive.
Have the terrorists been captured and identified? Where (which country or state) are they from? If they are nationals/residents of India, wouldn't it be up to India's government to manage internal issues like national security, in the first instance? Then, like Indonesia, work with other countries on training and intelligence so that it is capable of monitoring, stopping and managing the threats to people in the country?
It's a terribly sad day for the people killed/terrorised/injured/disrupted and their own governments and I do not know what else to say until we know more.
There was another instructive thread in non-PR OMNI, which also covered the actual state of play.
Just to make this a pliticl post:
I hold the US government responsible for allowing the sub-prime financial crisis to take its course - and hopefully to stabilise the fate of the world financial system, which can be blamed IMO on the selling of sub-prime-related derivatives globally.
I definitely cannot finger the blame on any country for this terrible news from Bombay until more facts are known. I definitely don't slander an entire religion or country (subprime-debacle notwithstanding!).
Have the terrorists been captured and identified? Where (which country or state) are they from? If they are nationals/residents of India, wouldn't it be up to India's government to manage internal issues like national security, in the first instance? Then, like Indonesia, work with other countries on training and intelligence so that it is capable of monitoring, stopping and managing the threats to people in the country?
It's a terribly sad day for the people killed/terrorised/injured/disrupted and their own governments and I do not know what else to say until we know more.
There was another instructive thread in non-PR OMNI, which also covered the actual state of play.
Just to make this a pliticl post:
I hold the US government responsible for allowing the sub-prime financial crisis to take its course - and hopefully to stabilise the fate of the world financial system, which can be blamed IMO on the selling of sub-prime-related derivatives globally.
I definitely cannot finger the blame on any country for this terrible news from Bombay until more facts are known. I definitely don't slander an entire religion or country (subprime-debacle notwithstanding!).
Regardless, terrorism is a global problem, whether external or internal, and I think that we need a global solution to it because even if it is internal it has global effects.
So it doesn't matter which country or group is responsible, the world has to unite on action and those who are stupid enough to think that they are impervious will be the next ones hit.
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Good. Any other holdouts (w/hostages) still out there? Or is everyone safe now?
O/H
The BBC is now reporting that a rabbi and his family are being held hostage in their apartment. Responsibility has been claimed by a group called the "Deccan Mujahadeen."
I am well aware that there are vast numbers of peaceful Muslims throughout the world. To pretend, however, that this is not Islamic-extremist terrorism is, I think, naive in the extreme.
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