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There has been so much discussion here, but what do we really know about the motives of these individuals, who they were affiliated with, on whose behalf they may have been acting? I mean, aside from condemning this crime itself, there isn't that much to go on yet, is there?
I was going to post something way more inflammatory, but let me try making a point in a more indirect way:
First of all, if these perps were muslim extremists, where does the rhetorical propaganda - which edifies them in their holy warrioring - come from? Anyone know?
We don't have answers to these questions. As of today fingers are pointing to groups from Pakistan, possibly with support from some elements within Pakistani Govt, Army or Inelligence. Possibly Dawood Ibrahim was involved. Americans were targeted because Washington is now openly disillusioned with the lipservice without much substance from Pakistani Govt in the war against terror. On the other hand, the current and former Govts in Pakistan have made life slightly more difficult for the terrorist outfits without eliminating them. It's unlikely that the Govt of Pakistan would sponsor a terrorist attack against India at this time. The U.S. is no longer willing to ignore attacks on India. Even though elements of Pakistani govt might be involved, a successful marine voyage from Karachi to Bombay is beyond the means of terrorisst outfits such as Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohmammed. Smugglers such as Dawood Ibraheem have long carried on their smuggling operations bringing their goods into India from the sea. Anger agaist Jews is not new among Islamic terrorists, but this is the first time that Jews have been targeted in India. Israeli-India co-operation would be one reason for them to target Jews. The other would be the Israeli-Russian mafia and bombay based Indian mafia eating into Ibraheem's business. How many of these possible connections, if any, are the real reasons, is anyone's guess. Theoretically, it's possible that Indian Hindu's might have carried this out in order to malign Muslims. If it is so, I hope time will tell. Hindu connections to Malegaon bombings have been found and people such as Lt Colonel Purohit, of Indian army are under arrest. You can assign probabilities to various scenarios but be prepared to be called anti-Muslim, anti-Jewsih or anti-Hindu by various faithful people. As for me, I have already been called two of the three.
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Somehow, your use of "SS" in "terrosissts" seems remarkably apt.
Do you need glasses? Having trouble distinguishing lower case 'ss' mistyped as a part of the world and the upper case stand alone SS ? Or is your fear or age getting the better of you?
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Do you need glasses? Having trouble distinguishing lower case 'ss' mistyped as a part of the world and the upper case stand alone SS ? Or is your fear or age getting the better of you?
I am sorry, Yaatri, but the PBI-FLL Meet is about to start shortly and this means that I will no longer have time to play with you.
You can, of course, continue to play with yourself.
but this is the first time that Jews have been targeted in India. Israeli-India co-operation would be one reason for them to target Jews. The other would be the Israeli-Russian mafia and bombay based Indian mafia eating into Ibraheem's business. How many of these possible connections, if any, are the real reasons, is anyone's guess. Theoretically, it's possible that Indian Hindu's might have carried this out in order to malign Muslims. If it is so, I hope time will tell. Hindu connections to Malegaon bombings have been found and people such as Lt Colonel Purohit, of Indian army are under arrest. You can assign probabilities to various scenarios but be prepared to be called anti-Muslim, anti-Jewsih or anti-Hindu by various faithful people. As for me, I have already been called two of the three.
Sorry Sir, check your history of India . Remember Kerala and the Portuguese
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I don't know whether it is Inquisition proper
There was an office of Inquisition in India installed by the Portugese when the Pope threatened to give Asia to all Catholics because the Portugese had forgotten their promise.
If you are talking about something else, honestly, I am not aware for that and would like to know more.
When I said "This was the first time Jews were targeted in India", I mean it was the first time Jews were targeted in terrorist attack designed to spread wide spread terror in modern times. In previous Hindu Muslim riots or attacks by terrorists Jews were not attacked.
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There was an office of Inquisition in India installed by the Portugese when the Pope threatened to give Asia to all Catholics because the Portugese had forgotten their promise.
If you are talking about something else, honestly, I am not aware for that and would like to know more.
When I said "This was the first time Jews were targeted in India", I mean it was the first time Jews were targeted in terrorist attack designed to spread wide spread terror in modern times. In previous Hindu Muslim riots or attacks by terrorists Jews were not attacked.
You are right - it is the Portuguese inquisition according to Da Fonseca 's narration IIRC ( eons ago) It may be in Goa - Kerala was another incident. I don't believe the term "terrorism" was in the jargon at that time though "paganism" was an "in" word and applicable to the Hindu faith also
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You are right - it is the Portuguese inquisition according to Da Fonseca 's narration IIRC ( eons ago) It may be in Goa - Kerala was another incident. I don't believe the term "terrorism" was in the jargon at that time though "paganism" was an "in" word and applicable to the Hindu faith also
I was right and wrong. There was also an attack (1524( by Arab traders prior to the Portuguese Inquisition (1560). While the Inquisition was pure bigotry, directed at Jews, Hindus and other non-Catholics, the Moors used the pretext of tampering with the spice trade, which is why the Portuguese were there too.
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Update from India: Things are pretty calm and people in Mumbai are going about their business as usual, just as New Yorkers did after 9/11. What's interesting is that there is while there is tremendous anti-Pakistan sentiment, there is no apparent anti-Muslim sentiment on the part of the non-Muslims in India (such as that espoused by some earlier in this thread). It is remarkable How Hindus, Muslims and all Indians have come together after this tragedy.
As an aside, I was on a domestic flight within India yesterday and my aircraft had numerous identifiably dressed Muslim men and women, some of them even reading prayer books. There were also a number of Sikhs. Neither the pilots, nor the flight attendants, nor any of the pax got freaked out.
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Update from India: Things are pretty calm and people in Mumbai are going about their business as usual, just as New Yorkers did after 9/11. What's interesting is that there is while there is tremendous anti-Pakistan sentiment, there is no apparent anti-Muslim sentiment on the part of the non-Muslims in India (such as that espoused by some earlier in this thread). It is remarkable How Hindus, Muslims and all Indians have come together after this tragedy.
As an aside, I was on a domestic flight within India yesterday and my aircraft had numerous identifiably dressed Muslim men and women, some of them even reading prayer books. There were also a number of Sikhs. Neither the pilots, nor the flight attendants, nor any of the pax got freaked out.
I hope you realise it raises doubts about claims of disenfranchisement of Muslims. The reaction would be different, if Muslims were disenfranchised. Isolated incidents are excepted.
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Now you see it, now you don't. Pakistani magic.
Detalis of Pakistani connections to te terrorists are emerging, but Pakistani contues to claim that there is no evidence of Pakistani connections. While promising to co-operate on the one hand, and on the other, claiming that there is no evidence, it is trying to cover up what is emerging, by intimidating its own citizens.
Ajmal Amir Kasab, interrogated in custody after last month's attacks, which killed 163 people, reportedly told Indian security officials that he came from a place called Faridkot in the Punjab province. His father was named as Mohammed Amir, married to a woman named Noor. During the past week, Pakistani sources have cast doubt on the authenticity of the leaked information, which has had a predictably explosive impact on relations between the two countries.
The Observer has obtained electoral lists for Faridkot showing 478 registered voters, including a Mohammed Amir, married to Noor Elahi. Amir's and Noor's national identity card numbers have also been obtained. At the address identified in the list, a man identifying himself as Sultan said he was the father-in-law of Mohammed Amir.
A villager, who cannot be named for his own protection, said the village was an active recruiting ground for the banned militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. 'We know that boy [caught in Mumbai] is from Faridkot,' he said. 'We knew from the first night [of the attack]. They brainwash our youth about jihad, there are people who do it in this village. It is so wrong,' he added.
According to the villager and other locals, Ajmal has not lived in Faridkot for about four years but would return to see his family once a year and frequently talked of freeing Kashmir from Indian rule.
London’s The Observer newspaper tracked down the family home of the arrested terrorist, Ajmal Amir Kasab, in a Pakistani village. It’s in Faridkot village in Punjab. Kasab’s father is Mohammad Amir Iman and mother Noor Elahi. They are both registered voters with national identity card numbers 3530121767339 and 3530157035058 respectively.
But they were not home. A neighbour who described himself as a relative said, “They have gone to a wedding.” The Observer team was “eventually told … he and his wife, Noor, had been mysteriously spirited away earlier in the week.”
Villagers recognised Kasab in pictures shown to them by The Observer team.
“We’ve all known from the first day [of the news of the terrorist attack] that it was him, Ajmal Amir Kasab,” the report quoted a Faridkot villager, who refused to be identified. “His mother started crying when she saw his picture on the television." But the village has since straightened out its story, under pressure from local plainclothes policemen who are now controlling access to the village. The Observer said that journalists were being turned away, and not very politely.
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