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More than 7 years after 9/11, not only have we not caught OBL but have also succeeded in exporting terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan and Iraq. War, especially an ill-planned one without having a grasp of reality, is not good idea.
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More than 7 years after 9/11, not only have we not caught OBL but have also succeeded in exporting terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan and Iraq. War, especially an ill-planned one without having a grasp of reality, is not good idea.
The United States has done a lot of things wrong in the war on terror. Exporting terrorism to Pakistan is not one of them. That is very much "coals to Newcastle".
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The United States has done a lot of things wrong in the war on terror. Exporting terrorism to Pakistan is not one of them. That is very much "coals to Newcastle".
You are right. My bad for wording it sloppily. Shuitting its eyes to Pakistani support for Taliban, Al-Qaida and other terrorist outfits.
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Yes, completely agree with that view. And dont forget the Saudis.
Saudis are the financiers. We have done nothing th change Saudi involvement, although terrorism against India is masterminded by PAkistani elements. No one has as much /passion/stake/interest in India as Pakistan does. Sometims it's like two worst enemies and sometimes it's like two brothers.
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Saudis are the financiers. We have done nothing th change Saudi involvement, although terrorism against India is masterminded by PAkistani elements. No one has as much /passion/stake/interest in India as Pakistan does. Sometims it's like two worst enemies and sometimes it's like two brothers.
More than financiers according to what I have read and heard commentary about from people who have lived in Pakistan. They are that ones that built the schools in Pakistan that turned it into an anti Western, fundamentalist state.
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More than financiers according to what I have read and heard commentary about from people who have lived in Pakistan. They are that ones that built the schools in Pakistan that turned it into an anti Western, fundamentalist state.
Saudis don't build. They give money to build.
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Exactly, since no one can ascertain for sure who is responsible and each and every one is pointing the finger at a particular group/country/govt.
Some people who know the region well are asking the following questions:
1. why were hostages taken by the attackers?
2. where was a decision made to make sure that the situation would not settle to a point where demands from hostage takers and negotiations may have entered into the picture?
3. why were the attackers interested in passports and the hotel guest registries.
4. Who usually go to or use Bombay as a Thanksgiving holiday extended-weekend getaway.
5. and subsequently how such information was known to the planners & attackers.
5. And the connection between Nariman/Chabad House and the border control efforts?
Hopefully the Indian authority (ies) will be more forthcoming in their investigation(s) as compared to what we experienced for Benazir Bhutto's murder.
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I asked you to ponder the questions raised by dodo. Try to answer question number 6 to yourself, other reasons will become clear, if you are unable to acknowledge them now.
Even without the answer to question 6, killing of Jews was another dimension with the purpose of "enhancing" the effect of their efforts, to achieve a bigger bang so to speak. I have never said that Jews were not targeted.
Think about terrorism, Pakistan's history of using terror as an instrument of state policy and maintaining deniability, and criminal lords with ties to intelligence agencies who often use these gangsters for their objectives. With dangers in Pakistan having increased manyfold, Bombay has become a hotbed of intelligence operatives, like Constantinopole was around black sea.
Why don't you spell out what you're hinting at?
What I'll spell out for you is the following: the act of killing one or more Jews, not because of anything those individuals may have done but because they are Jews (whether for publicity, or to make a statement, or because it makes the killer feel better, or anything else), is antisemitism. Killing Jews qua Jews means that someone is willing to kill me - even if they don't know me, even if I may have helped them, supported them, etc.
And if it bothers someone when I call out what is antisemitism, you know what? Not only don't I mind, but it helps me to know where else I have to watch out in the future...
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Saudis don't build. They give money to build.
Agreed, I just wanted to point out that it isnt just money to support a particular terrorist activity. It is in my opinion, from reading about this, the major financial underpinnings of Muslim extremism in Pakistan and pretty much every place else in the world. The extremism is spread by the schools.
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The United States has done a lot of things wrong in the war on terror. Exporting terrorism to Pakistan is not one of them. That is very much "coals to Newcastle".
Yes it is. The whole world knew well that the Taliban was an extn of the Pak govt but yet Bush trusted these muslims to turn against their brothers overnight. By letting Pak handle the border areas, the US has indirectly given shelter to OBL. Once in a blue moon Pak brings up a token terrorist, but the money continues to flow. If the US and India could jointly confront Pak, many of these issues will get resolved.
Please correct my numbers if i am wrong in this para. Pak has 100,000 soldiers on the narrow border, but still cannot get it under control. The coalition has less considering the size of afganhistan and the border areas with pak. keeping that in mind the coalition has much better control over its area.
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My apologies, Yaatri, I did not realize that you are in charge of the Thread Police and have sole right to determine what may or may not be in a thread.
Sorry Yaatri but I don't see what was the big deal in talking a bit about the Jews in this thread. even if no jews were killed they have experienced many of the same issues w/r/t muslims like us and valid comparisions can be made. CO FF is right in that there is an anti-semitic angle in this whole episode.
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Sorry Yaatri but I don't see what was the big deal in talking a bit about the Jews in this thread. even if no jews were killed they have experienced many of the same issues w/r/t muslims like us and valid comparisions can be made. CO FF is right in that there is an anti-semitic angle in this whole episode.
Of course there is a an Israeli/Jewish angle to this. But that is only one angle. The whole attack wasn't just designed to kill Jews. One has to be very careful before one jumps to conclusions. Just because people of certain religion are killed are killed, it does not mean the entire operation was targeted to get them
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