And I love how some people instantly blame Islam for every act of violence committed anywhere in the world.
If the adherents of the "Religion of Peace" were a little more, y'know, *PEACEFUL*, then maybe it wouldn't' be the first thing everyone thinks of when sh#t like this goes down.
Multiple simultaneous attacks are a hallmark of al-Qaeda, although it is apparently not yet known who the perps are this instance.
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Does anyone remember the early assumptions after the OKC bombing?
Does everyone remember how the early assumptions in these cases:
9/11, Khobar Towers, Achille Lauro, Berlin Disco, Pan Am 103, that TWA 847, London Tube bombings, Madrid train bombings, Bali Nightclub bombings, Embassy bombings in Africa, Iran Hostage Crisis, multiple suicide bombings in Israel, Abu Sayyef bombings and kidnappings in the Philippines, Daniel Pearl, the beheadings in Iraq, the Russian airline bombings, Moscow theater hostage crisis begins, the school massacre in Beslan, the Australian embassy bombing, the suicide bombing at the marine barracks in Lebanon, the Lebanon kidnappings, Richard Reid, USS Cole, the Millenium bomber, Theo Van Gogh's murder, Pim Fortuyn's murder, WTC '93, the Danish Cartoon embassy burnings.
There's a *reason* that people tend to think it's Islamic nutbags when this sort of thing happens....
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Islamic militants have a lot more in common with evangelical conservatives than they do actual facists.
Multiple terrorist attacks in Mumbai and your reaction is to castigate evangelical conservatives? That's just plain stupid.
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If the adherents of the "Religion of Peace" were a little more, y'know, *PEACEFUL*, then maybe it wouldn't' be the first thing everyone thinks of when sh#t like this goes down.
They pull "sh#t like this" as you call it, while GWB and Cheney (which peaceful religion do they belong to, exactly?) invade and occupy other countries without a credible excuse and cause thousands to be killed. I don't see any righteous indignation from you in the latter case.
You might have a bit of credibility if you held everyone to the same standard instead of making sweeping and snide generalizations about the "ROP."
For the record, the number of people killed in all the atrocities that you list is dwarfed by the number of deaths caused by Bush's illegal war.
[Edited to add:] Let's try something different, let's *think* for a change.
If the adherents of the "Religion of Peace" were a little more, y'know, *PEACEFUL*, then maybe it wouldn't' be the first thing everyone thinks of when sh#t like this goes down. ...
Sorry, but there are millions of peaceful adherents of Islam worldwide. They are a little more, y'know, peaceful, but you just want to look at the violent adherents and ignore the vast majority. That's called bigotry.
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Atleast 80 dead in a series of co-ordinated attacks in Mumbai.
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Gunmen launch co-ordinated attacks on a number of sites in Mumbai, India, killing at least 80 people and taking hostages at two luxury hotels and a hospital.
Yet another act of absolute cowardice. 15th such attack on Mumbai since the multiple bombings in 1993 (which, before 9/11, was the biggest terrorist attack on a metropolitan city, anywhere).
The manner in which it was carried out is plain scary.
Read the news on my way to work this morning. Spent better part of an hour trying to get in touch with family and friends. Glad to report that everyone is safe and as far as I can tell, no one I know was killed/injured in the attacks.
Hope no FTers or their family members were killed/injured.
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I know it's too early to speculate, but I wonder if this is one of those vanishingly rare situations in which religious beliefs are used to do evil rather than good.
You might as well ask whether this is one of those "vanishingly rare situations" in which people with darker complexions act in unpredictable and violent ways. I'm sure that subsaharan Africans and polynesians are in some way also responsible for this attack
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Then please read this detailed definition of facism and show me where Islamic extremists fit the definition. Islamic extremists want to install theocracies, which is a major goal of Christian evangelicals. Facism is as much about economics as it is about totalitarianism. Islamic militants are not very concerned about economic systems.
Who are these people you speak of? Have you actually ever met a person who identifies as an evangelical who says "I want to install a theocracy."? For that matter, have you ever met an evangelical? When and where? Or did you read this on the Daily Kos and just know it must be true?
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Sorry, but there are millions of peaceful adherents of Islam worldwide. They are a little more, y'know, peaceful, but you just want to look at the violent adherents and ignore the vast majority. That's called bigotry.
Ah, yes, the traditional "RACIST!! BIGOT!!" Gambit.
1. I don't have a beef with god-botherers of any stripe (or atheists or agnostics for that matter) who can manage not to inflict this kind of crap on others.
that said,
2. Trying to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorism is like trying to pretend that Apartheid had nothing to do with race.
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You know, you could wait until everyone is safely out before starting the post-attack bickering? Some of us have people out there who are extremely worried about loved ones...
2. Trying to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorism is like trying to pretend that Apartheid had nothing to do with race.
Something tells me you're smart enough to know that that is a false analogy. Islam is as much to blame for terrorism as all whites are for apartheid. And there is no such thing as Muslim terrorism.
They pull "sh#t like this" as you call it, while GWB and Cheney (which peaceful religion do they belong to, exactly?) invade and occupy other countries without a credible excuse and cause thousands to be killed. I don't see any righteous indignation from you in the latter case.
There were 17 UN SC Resolutions on Iraq in between Gulf Wars I & II. If you can show me the UN SC Resolution(s) authorizing 9/11, etc., including this latest bit (regardless as to what persons of whatever faith (if any) are behind it) and I will concede the point.
Until then, thank you for playing and we have some lovely parting gifts, etc., etc.
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You might have a bit of credibility if you held everyone to the same standard instead of making sweeping and snide generalizations about the "ROP."
I call Bullsh*t. My point was about certain of the adherents of the "Religion of Peace", which you must, of course, ignore b/c you're trying to get to the "BIGOTRY!! RACISM!!" St. Vitus Dance just as quickly a possible.
Meanwhile, when the Quakers (who belong to the *REAL* religion of peace) burn down embassies and the Amish fly jet liners into office towers, I will hold them to the same standard.
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[Edited to add:] Let's try something different, let's *think* for a change.
Yes, it would be refreshing if you did.
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You might as well ask whether this is one of those "vanishingly rare situations" in which people with darker complexions act in unpredictable and violent ways. I'm sure that subsaharan Africans and polynesians are in some way also responsible for this attack
Thank you.
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You know, you could wait until everyone is safely out before starting the post-attack bickering? Some of us have people out there who are extremely worried about loved ones...
And thank you, also.
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