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You can preach all you want, but your solution is no solution and is unrealistic, knee-jerk, chest-thumping inanity.
So what exactly is your solution? Sit in your armchair and fantasize that peace will come from the blue sky?
You have been calling many as bigots, how are you not one when you think that it is okay for the US to invade Afghanistan upon a few terrorist attacks, while its not okay for India?? How is that not a RACIST comment?
America get a few pinches here and there and the whole world sees chest thumping Americans buldozing anyone who might stand in way.
Look at the # of Indians being butchered since the 1990's (this is excluding the deaths from the Punjab insurgency which Pak also supported) and it will far outweigh all the attacks by Al Qaida. But yet it is okay for the US to march into Afghanistan?
And you claim that the govt there supported terrorism which makes your war valid. I wish I was able to see you face to face, as I would seriously wish you could look me right in the eye and tell me that pakistan does not support/encourage terrorism. You must be living in very very small cocoon to be so ignorant.
What is the diff if a govt openly supports terrorism and secretly supports terrorism? If Pak did not support terrorism why would the US go to great lengths after the attack on the Indian parliament to get Musharraf to crack down on the terrorist training camps and make those worthless "pledges" to erradicate terrorism from its soil (jan 12, 2002 and May 27, 2002)? If there was no terrorism what is there to erradicate?
There are only so many stings a tiger will take, after that it swipes its feet and all those in the way will suffer.
One attack on US soil and Americans "lose" it and start threatening the world, multiple attacks on india and we are expected to keep bearing it?
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If India were to try to destroy Pakistan, I would guess that the US would tell them very firmly "no". As would China. Yours is a violent, simplistic and quite sick pipe dream.
So what if the US says no, how many countries have said no to the US before incl India? You think its just China and the US in the Security council? My solution is a long OVERDUE one, one that should have been given 7 years ago for sins committed for more than a decade.
And again I am not saying destroy Pak, just take out the army and PoK but keep the police and then retreat. Let pak sort the mess.
The world has been watching and it better not sit around idle.
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so, what would you do if someone came into your house, raped you daughter and killed you wife?
Would you:
1) wait for justice which might or might not happen and it may take years (reason)
2) Hunt the person down and kill him (emotion)
What you are advocating is what they used to do down South. If a black man is suspected of a crime, just hunt down the nearest black man and lynch him. They're probably all related, and even if they're not, they're most likely guilty of something. And it'll make us feel so good and righteous!
With every new post, you are just getting deeper into the hole that you have dug for yourself.
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I am here because I have lived more than 20yrs of my life here, my family is here and my business is HERE. I am an AMERICAN CITIZEN. I love this country and no ill feelings towards it, so why should I leave? You usually that line to people who are consistently criticizing their country and always singing praise for their home country.
My CULTURE is Indian and thereby a connection still exists to that land. Which you would not understand as a American Born Desi. You will never get it so just forget it.
I speak from personal experience and not from GOOGLE from which you get all your info especially with all your attached links.
I have an idea....why don't you get off your high horse armchair, go to India and actually live there for 5 yrs and then we can talk?
You are just too funny.
What personal experience? You yourself admit that you only spent a few years in India at a very young age, and remember almost nothing of Indian history. You are no more connected to India than people who visit occasionally and get most of their information from Google, as you seem to think I do. (You couldn't be more wrong about me, but what's one more inaccuracy in the loads of BS that you've been spouting?)
I can certainly tell you that information from Google and Wikipedia is much more objective and believable than what you hear from your apparently deranged family members.
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Not in TEXAS. I don't know about where you live but in this GREAT state you have a good shot of walking especially if you kill the guy in the act.
Yes. Texas, like other former confederate states, has a proud history of lynchings.
I see no point in continuing to attempt any kind of rational discussion with you. At least UA Fan, with whom I also mostly disagree, makes some valid arguments, while you seem to be a complete stranger to logic. Enjoy the ranting sessions with your family.
it looks like the Pak has been blackmailing the US and India by threatening to move troops east if India flexes its muscle. I think the US could use this opportunity to get into the NWFP area and catch Bin laden themselves. Obama has been more aggresive with Pak, but I hope this translates into actual deeds.
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So what exactly is your solution? Sit in your armchair and fantasize that peace will come from the blue sky?
You have been calling many as bigots, how are you not one when you think that it is okay for the US to invade Afghanistan upon a few terrorist attacks, while its not okay for India?? How is that not a RACIST comment?
America get a few pinches here and there and the whole world sees chest thumping Americans buldozing anyone who might stand in way.
Look at the # of Indians being butchered since the 1990's (this is excluding the deaths from the Punjab insurgency which Pak also supported) and it will far outweigh all the attacks by Al Qaida. But yet it is okay for the US to march into Afghanistan?
And you claim that the govt there supported terrorism which makes your war valid. I wish I was able to see you face to face, as I would seriously wish you could look me right in the eye and tell me that pakistan does not support/encourage terrorism. You must be living in very very small cocoon to be so ignorant.
What is the diff if a govt openly supports terrorism and secretly supports terrorism? If Pak did not support terrorism why would the US go to great lengths after the attack on the Indian parliament to get Musharraf to crack down on the terrorist training camps and make those worthless "pledges" to erradicate terrorism from its soil (jan 12, 2002 and May 27, 2002)? If there was no terrorism what is there to erradicate?
There are only so many stings a tiger will take, after that it swipes its feet and all those in the way will suffer.
One attack on US soil and Americans "lose" it and start threatening the world, multiple attacks on india and we are expected to keep bearing it?
You need to calm down. And India is not a tiger, so get that out of your head. Attacking Pakistan will achieve nothing, and India is not going to. They are being reasonable.
The talks between the two governments should continue. That is the only way to achieve anything, although it's not likely to be successful. As long as Kashmir stands between them, I don't see tensions easing, but there's certainly no need to exacerbate things by reacting foolishly to this attack.
so, what would you do if someone came into your house, raped you daughter and killed you wife?
Would you:
1) wait for justice which might or might not happen and it may take years (reason)
2) Hunt the person down and kill him (emotion)
Why did the US go into Afghanistan after 9/11? To hit back and hit back hard and show that we do not condone these act of terrorism on OUR soil. Why is it ok for us to do it but no one else?
That is what I am preaching that India does to Pakistan.
Dude, sorry but have to disagree with you here again. I would never do this on a personal level. There are authorities who take of justice which is so much more efficient in the US. But on the intl scene it everyone for himself/herself, so just like the US did to Afghanistan, India can do to Pak.
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What you are advocating is what they used to do down South. If a black man is suspected of a crime, just hunt down the nearest black man and lynch him. They're probably all related, and even if they're not, they're most likely guilty of something. And it'll make us feel so good and righteous!
With every new post, you are just getting deeper into the hole that you have dug for yourself.
You are just too funny.
What personal experience? You yourself admit that you only spent a few years in India at a very young age, and remember almost nothing of Indian history. You are no more connected to India than people who visit occasionally and get most of their information from Google, as you seem to think I do. (You couldn't be more wrong about me, but what's one more inaccuracy in the loads of BS that you've been spouting?)
I can certainly tell you that information from Google and Wikipedia is much more objective and believable than what you hear from your apparently deranged family members.
Yes. Texas, like other former confederate states, has a proud history of lynchings.
I see no point in continuing to attempt any kind of rational discussion with you. At least UA Fan, with whom I also mostly disagree, makes some valid arguments, while you seem to be a complete stranger to logic. Enjoy the ranting sessions with your family.
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE = childhood freinds who are now colonols in the INDIAN army stationed at the LOC.
Can you get more personal than that? Unless you happen to be stationed there.
And NY has a proud history of robbing blue collar workers.
Go ahead and be a proud Indian while it lasts.
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Correctly put. Pakistan's chief export is pure unadulterated terror, and has been for some time. Finally the "rest of the world" is figuring this out.
And let's be honest, they have no other real unique export capability to speak of, other than terror. Which leads me to this:
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the world might have to do that dirty job, thankfully and hopefully not India.
This however is probably not the best long-term solution, though I understand from where such a hope comes from. I wholeheartedly agree with disrespecting Pakistan's so-called "territorial integrity" if there is a credible target at hand however.
Dude, sorry but have to disagree with you here again. I would never do this on a personal level. There are authorities who take of justice which is so much more efficient in the US. But on the intl scene it everyone for himself/herself, so just like the US did to Afghanistan, India can do to Pak.
Yes, i'm sure India can. They can invade Pakistan, and realise that invasion is easy, winning isn't.
And then they can be embroiled for years, as the incidence of terrorism increases since now they aren't terrorists, but freedom fighters. And thousands and thousands of Indians can be killed - and it will be a complete and utter waste of time without any improvement in the situation, but a lot more people left with family members dead.
It's strange, how those advocating that India invade Pakistan did not answer my question about how taking such a step is meant to reduce the number of Indians being killed?
Would anyone have any comments on the big picture role of Saudi Arabia in extremism in Pakistan and hence the most recent tragedy?
I don't believe there to be much of a linkage here. A lot of the homebrewed stuff in Afg/Pak was stuff brewed up to defend against Russia/India respectively.
Over time "defense" has turned into "offense". This was a very cheap and effective hit job done by Pakistan, they've done it many times in the past in Kashmir.
Today's show hasn't posted yet, but I highly encourage everyone watch Fareed Zakharia's CNN show
You need to calm down. And India is not a tiger, so get that out of your head. Attacking Pakistan will achieve nothing, and India is not going to. They are being reasonable.
The talks between the two governments should continue. That is the only way to achieve anything, although it's not likely to be successful. As long as Kashmir stands between them, I don't see tensions easing, but there's certainly no need to exacerbate things by reacting foolishly to this attack.
I did not see anyone in your government preaching such restrain eight years ago, when US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan under the ridiculously named 'War on Terror'. I did not see your government enter talks with the Iraqi Government.
Believe it or not, India has shown commendable restrain over the last decade as far as attacking Pakistan is concerned. Not for a moment do I believe that the US would've shown similar restrain if The Capitol was attacked in a manner similar to the Parliament House, New Delhi. India has fought three wars with Pakistan, and has never been the aggressor, because, I suspect, the brains trust realises that declaring an all out war against a country that you share a land border with, is best left as the last resort. A concept probably lost on the United States because never once has it fought a war on its own soil.
With evidence coming forth that the terrorists were in fact trained in Pakistan and received logistical support from elements based in Pakistan, elements enjoying ISI's hospitality, it'd not surprise me if surgical strikes are enacted on certain locations.
US would do well to not preach something that it can not practice.
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Correctly put. Pakistan's chief export is pure unadulterated terror, and has been for some time. Finally the "rest of the world" is figuring this out.
And let's be honest, they have no other real unique export capability to speak of, other than terror. Which leads me to this: This however is probably not the best long-term solution, though I understand from where such a hope comes from. I wholeheartedly agree with disrespecting Pakistan's so-called "territorial integrity" if there is a credible target at hand however.
PaulMSN needs wake up from his daze and read that first para, before passing judgements that India cannot do the same that the US did. And even if the US did not do such a thing, who is the US to dictate what to do?
Peace, minority, muslims
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