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Old Nov 18, 09, 3:09 pm   #1
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Kissinger: Breakthrough in U.S.-Russian relations now that Obama is president

Kissinger Sees ‘Breakthrough’ in Russia Relations With U.S.
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Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said the U.S. has reached a “breakthrough” in relations with Russia as the Obama administration seeks to harness the Kremlin’s influence on the global stage.

“The world is different now -- Russia is no longer an ideological adversary,” Kissinger said in an interview with the state-run broadcaster Russia Today. “A considerable breakthrough has already been made.”

The former Cold War rivals are leaving behind a 60-year legacy of disagreements and finding common ground on arms control, missile defense and Iran’s nuclear program, Kissinger said. Progress will continue, he added.

Kissinger, 86, pushed the policy of detente 40 years ago, helping thaw relations with the Soviet Union and reaching key arms control agreements. The former U.S. chief diplomat met Russian President Dmitry Medvedev twice after Barack Obama’s election, laying the groundwork for a “reset” in relations.

The two countries will end up with a “very parallel position” on how to deal with Iran, Kissinger said. Russia is one of six world powers negotiating with the Islamic republic over its nuclear program.

I agree with him. It does appear that relations with Russia have progressed substantially in the previous year.
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As long as Putin is pulling the strings, any "breakthroughs" are purely cosmetic.
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Old Nov 18, 09, 3:15 pm   #3
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As long as Putin is pulling the strings, any "breakthroughs" are purely cosmetic.
Maybe you can explain to us why we should trust your opinion on this matter over Diplomat Kissinger's. Thanks.
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Maybe you can explain to us why we should trust your opinion on this matter over Diplomat Kissinger's.
Isn't his opinion a little bit self-serving?

Should we also take "Diplomat Kissinger's" opinion that President Obama should give General McChyrstal the troop increase the latter has requested over yours that "we should just pull out"? Or do you think we should only give credence to Kissinger's positions that are flattering to President Obama and in accordance with your own thinking?

Notwithstanding that, I would like to read a transcript of Kissinger's interview with Russia Today. Have you seen one anywhere?
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I doubt flyinbob could actually provide any examples that credibly show that Putin is pulling the strings. Of course, he's never much on actual backing for his absurd statements.
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I doubt flyinbob could actually provide any examples that credibly show that Putin is pulling the strings. Of course, he's never much on actual backing for his absurd statements.
You do know that Medvedev was Putin's hand-picked successor, and Putin is the prime minister, supposedly number 2, right?

From ABC news:

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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev

Many analysts believe Dmitry Medvedev is acting as a seat warmer for his predecessor. (AFP: Joel Saget)

President Dmitry Medvedev says he might not object to swapping jobs with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, as the ruling duo keep Russia guessing about their plans.

Asked during a meeting with American students at the University of Pittsburgh on Thursday whether he was prepared to exchange places with his powerful mentor, Mr Medvedev said he would not mind as long as he could be helpful.

...Analysts are closely watching Russia's ruling tandem for any signs of possible discord, and some wonder whether Mr Medvedev is willing to break out from Mr Putin's embrace and strike out on his own.

Many believe Mr Putin is the country's real chief and that Mr Medvedev is acting as a seat warmer for his predecessor.
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Old Nov 18, 09, 5:17 pm   #7
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You do know that Medvedev was Putin's hand-picked successor, and Putin is the prime minister, supposedly number 2, right?
That's not evidence that Putin is "pulling the strings."
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Old Nov 18, 09, 5:37 pm   #8
 
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That's not evidence that Putin is "pulling the strings."
Maybe he just meant in his first post that Putin is pulling the strings in Russia, not in the relationship with the US. That doesn't validate his claim about breakthroughs, though.
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That's not evidence that Putin is "pulling the strings."
Indeed. Hasn't Putin been getting the sh!ts lately because Medvedev is being more independant, iirc one of the specifics was the more positive tone he was taking toward US-Russian relations
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I agree with him. It does appear that relations with Russia have progressed substantially in the previous year.
How so? While I don't think our relationship has gotten worse, how has it improved? Do you call our reneging on a deal to place BMDs in Poland a "victory" for US-Russian relations?
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Old Nov 19, 09, 6:44 am   #11
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How so? While I don't think our relationship has gotten worse, how has it improved? Do you call our reneging on a deal to place BMDs in Poland a "victory" for US-Russian relations?
Even the best of allies have disagreements (see: U.S.-Israel and settlement building in the West Bank). Ergo, I don't think any one particular policy conflict is indicative of much. But more importantly, I don't think your example speaks to the U.S.-Russia relationship in a negative way at all. In fact, it is the opposite. It is evidence that we don't see Russia as the power broker in Eastern Europe anymore nor do we see them as a particularly big threat. So yes, I think it is actually a very good sign.
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You do know that Medvedev was Putin's hand-picked successor, and Putin is the prime minister, supposedly number 2, right?

From ABC news:



Lots more for those who really want to know.
I hate to do this, but I agree with you. There's no doubt in my mind that Medvedev is the lackey for Putin.

However, it does not follow that the thawing of relations is not genuine.
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It is evidence that we don't see Russia as the power broker in Eastern Europe anymore nor do we see them as a particularly big threat. So yes, I think it is actually a very good sign.
Exactly. Although it was great to see that Bush came up with this plan to stop the evil Soviets ever marching into "New Europe" again, but when push came to shove last year and little Caucus ally Georgia got routed in a few hours, there was a lot of flustering but very little action. The Russians entered at their own will and left at a time of their choosing; with a nice new parcel of land to call their own.
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Exactly. Although it was great to see that Bush came up with this plan to stop the evil Soviets ever marching into "New Europe" again, but when push came to shove last year and little Caucus ally Georgia got routed in a few hours, there was a lot of flustering but very little action. The Russians entered at their own will and left at a time of their choosing; with a nice new parcel of land to call their own.
Georgia learned, to its sorrow, that you can only really lip off to the Russians *after* you join NATO.

Meanwhile, what we've seen demonstrated is that the Russians don't take Obama seriously, and what our allies have learned is that he will throw them under the bus for a little "feel good" mojo.

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Old Nov 19, 09, 8:10 am   #15
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Meanwhile, what we've seen demonstrated is that the Russians don't take Obama seriously
How so?
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