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Old Nov 7, 09, 8:42 am   #1
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poll: will health care bill pass House this weekend?

I think it will, by a slim margin. Maybe not by Sunday but Monday or Tuesday.

How about you?
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Old Nov 7, 09, 8:49 am   #2
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I would be shocked if it did not pass.... there is a point where the democrats need to step up and take advantage of their majorities.
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I think it will pass today.

There is enough in there for each of the various D constituencies that I think it will make it.
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10.2%...

If something like the Pelosi bill actually becomes law, unemployment will stay above 9%, (and quite possibly above 10%) at least through the midterm elections.

With all the new taxes, mandates, and fees under consideration, small business owners (and the primary engine of job growth) won't be adding much to their employment rolls any time soon.

For a party that claims to be a friend of the workin' man, the Dems sure seem to like taxes on labor
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Old Nov 7, 09, 5:40 pm   #5
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I watched this on CSPAN a few hours ago....

How low will politicians go on this issue... not even his own granddaughter!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gl0t...layer_embedded
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Old Nov 7, 09, 6:43 pm   #6
 
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Yes, think so. Going to be close, though.
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Old Nov 7, 09, 8:19 pm   #7
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If something like the Pelosi bill actually becomes law, unemployment will stay above 9%, (and quite possibly above 10%) at least through the midterm elections.

With all the new taxes, mandates, and fees under consideration, small business owners (and the primary engine of job growth) won't be adding much to their employment rolls any time soon.

For a party that claims to be a friend of the workin' man, the Dems sure seem to like taxes on labor
Why not 20% or 50%?
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The bill has passed, 220-215.
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Old Nov 7, 09, 10:53 pm   #9
 
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The bill has passed, 220-215.
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The bill has passed, 220-215.
Why is this good? Honestly, do you have any idea what the 2000 pages of gibberish actually says? What it will really cost, now and in the future? What kind of health care it will really provide?

I'm wondering how anyone in Congress can justify voting (for or against) any bill they haven't read, especially one that will so influence American life and cost so much.
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Why not 20% or 50%?
The Obama stimulus failed to prevent unemployment rising above 9% as promised. Job 1 is now (or should be) incentivizing business to hire. The mandates, taxes, and fees of PelosiCare do just the opposite. I don't expect unemployment (even with PelosiCare to rise much more) - but I think an extended period in which unemployment remains above 9% is fairly likely scenario.
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Why is this good? Honestly, do you have any idea what the 2000 pages of gibberish actually says? What it will really cost, now and in the future? What kind of health care it will really provide?

I'm wondering how anyone in Congress can justify voting (for or against) any bill they haven't read, especially one that will so influence American life and cost so much.
I wonder how many Republicans reacted like this when Medicare and the Social Security Act passed. If Republicans weren't always on the wrong side of history, one might agree with you.
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I wonder how many Republicans reacted like this when Medicare and the Social Security Act passed. If Republicans weren't always on the wrong side of history, one might agree with you.
medicare and social security suck dude....
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Why is this good? Honestly, do you have any idea what the 2000 pages of gibberish actually says? What it will really cost, now and in the future? What kind of health care it will really provide?

I'm wondering how anyone in Congress can justify voting (for or against) any bill they haven't read, especially one that will so influence American life and cost so much.
I did take a look at the bill and read what I could; it is not gibberish and is plenty easy to understand if you take the time to do so. I didn't see anything in there that would lead me not to support it. More importantly, I support it based on the interactions with health insurance that I know, in which I can barely afford the most basic plan that Aetna offers, where they still hold all the chips and can deny coverage of procedures without any justification and leave me holding the bag.

The macro cost questions are better left to those who are in the know than to me. However, if I were in Congress and voting on this legislation, I'd have made it a point to learn about them; whether every Congressman did so I can't tell you. Whatever it costs, this is a step in the direction I want this country to go, reducing bankruptcies due to health care costs and increasing the number of people who actually seek care when they need it rather than staying away from the doctor because of $. YMMV.
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Old Nov 8, 09, 7:48 am   #15
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medicare and social security suck dude....
Like he said, wrong side of history.

Dude, get with the program. Nihilism with no government programs isn't really en vogue these days.
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