Rural = religious = religious bigotry = homophobia.
Urban (for the most part) = not so religious = not much religious bigotry = little homophobia.
Well, we've expressed (slightly!) differing views on this in the past, but I think you're painting this too black and white (and it's the black and white thing that is the source of the difference, I should specify). I don't think it's this simple. And as I said upthread, I really believe that it is in the suburbs that this battle needs to be fought ... at least initially. I suspect that's where you stand the most to gain on this issue and will have the easiest time doing it.
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Well, we've expressed (slightly!) differing views on this in the past, but I think you're painting this too black and white (and it's the black and white thing that is the source of the difference, I should specify). I don't think it's this simple. And as I said upthread, I really believe that it is in the suburbs that this battle needs to be fought ... at least initially. I suspect that's where you stand the most to gain on this issue and will have the easiest time doing it.
I agree that anti-gay sentiment is to be found more in rural/suburban America than in its major cities. However, I have never -- not ever, not once -- heard a rational objection to either homosexuality or SSM that is not, at core, a religious objection.
However, I have never -- not ever, not once -- heard a rational objection to either homosexuality or SSM that is not, at core, a religious objection.
Oh, you won't find me arguing that comment. I would only say that you haven't taken it far enough. Honestly, I haven't ever heard a rational objection to either homosexuality or SSM.
I was surprised (and somewhat disappointed) to see how close this vote is (note present tense: the Seattle Times has still not called it, as far as I know), but I guess that comes from living in Seattle for the last decade.
Interesting to note that the opponents of R-71 would not allow reporters into their election night venue. Are they so ashamed of trying to deny people their civil rights that they don't want to risk being identified? Cowards.
Not cowards, but endangered. From what I've heard, the gay people are militant and willing to boycott restaurants, burn down houses, even murder. This is a change from before when gay people were afraid of being hurt by opponents.
Gay people should join with anti-tax people in a fight for fairness. No higher taxes for some people and no denial of marriage for other people. Will never happen...
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Not cowards, but endangered. From what I've heard, the gay people are militant and willing to boycott restaurants, burn down houses, even murder. This is a change from before when gay people were afraid of being hurt by opponents.
Burn down houses? Murder? Whose house got burned down for opposing equality? Who got murdered? Lots of people have had those things happen to them just for being gay, of course.
Now boycotting restaurants, that I get. Sorry, but I don't want to spend any of my money with someone who works to make me a second- or third-class citizen, and anyone who wants to do that in secret so that his business doesn't suffer is indeed a coward. You should not expect business from people from whom you've ripped away rights.
Not cowards, but endangered. From what I've heard, the gay people are militant and willing to boycott restaurants, burn down houses, even murder. This is a change from before when gay people were afraid of being hurt by opponents.
This is almost kinda funny if one replaces 'gay people' with 'black people'! Rise up!
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Gay people should join with anti-tax people in a fight for fairness. No higher taxes for some people and no denial of marriage for other people. Will never happen...
Right, because anti-tax people are all about fairness!
Not cowards, but endangered. From what I've heard, the gay people are militant and willing to boycott restaurants, burn down houses, even murder. This is a change from before when gay people were afraid of being hurt by opponents.
No, they are cowards and they use the same reasons that you state. Can you provide any evidence that gay people have burned down houses or murdered anyone because they were trying to deny them their civil rights?
If I knew that a restaurant owner was opposed to civil rights for any group, including gays, I would boycott the restaurant. Did you really intend to put that in the same list with murder and arson?
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Not cowards, but endangered. From what I've heard, the gay people are militant and willing to boycott restaurants, burn down houses, even murder. This is a change from before when gay people were afraid of being hurt by opponents.
Oh, for the love of God....
What you HEARD?
Where did you hear that gays were ravaging the cities, towns and countryside of America burning down split-level condos and McMansions of people who oppose gay rights? Who said that to you? Because I want to introduce them to the legal secretary at my workplace who "heard" that the beef industry was putting crystal meth in steaks as a way to drive up sales.
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Not cowards, but endangered. From what I've heard, the gay people are militant and willing to boycott restaurants, burn down houses, even murder. This is a change from before when gay people were afraid of being hurt by opponents.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Obviously medical marijuana passed...
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Just to be clear - it is a FEW organized sects, that happen to be large, organized and well funded. Certainly all religions, and all religious people, are not still in the 14th century. Just some of them.
Hey, don't be picking on the 14th Century. One of the worst such examples wasn't even founded til the early 19th!
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Not cowards, but endangered. From what I've heard, the gay people are militant and willing to boycott restaurants, burn down houses, even murder. This is a change from before when gay people were afraid of being hurt by opponents.
Yeah, boycotting restaurants is terrible. I can't stand those activists who boycotted restaurants that wouldn't serve blacks.
Murder? I think you mixed up "gay people" with anti-abortion extremists.
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