Any experience with Airbnb?
#586
Join Date: Jul 2017
Programs: DL
Posts: 196
Stayed with AirBnb in the States a few times, always at whole property rentals with good reviews and previous owner contact. When I suggested it to my mom for an apartment rental in BCN next year, she declined b/c of the possibility of last minute cancellation by the host, leaving the traveler without a place to stay in a tourist busy city. Anything to reduce her concerns? How often could AirBnB host cancel without having a negative impact on their listing? What options do travelers have if their place gets cancelled? Are the rules different if we book through an agency, like TripAdvisor or HomeAway?
Then the host comes back to me wanting to cancel for one reason or another. OK, fair enough. But she wants ME to cancel, losing a credit that I had and relying on her goodwill to refund the money. Apparently she was at risk of having her listing removed from one more cancellation. Obviously I wasn't going to go for it, but it was annoying to be put in that awkward position in the first place. And then of course so many of the best Airbnb options for my trip were gone..
#587
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: YWG
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Posts: 2,159
Stayed with AirBnb in the States a few times, always at whole property rentals with good reviews and previous owner contact. When I suggested it to my mom for an apartment rental in BCN next year, she declined b/c of the possibility of last minute cancellation by the host, leaving the traveler without a place to stay in a tourist busy city. Anything to reduce her concerns? How often could AirBnB host cancel without having a negative impact on their listing? What options do travelers have if their place gets cancelled? Are the rules different if we book through an agency, like TripAdvisor or HomeAway?
As for cancellations, I'm not sure what the impact on hosts is, but in my most recent case the host clearly wanted to avoid cancelling because she had done it before (not sure how many times) and her listing would get yanked. I'm an understanding guy but I don't see why my wife and I should get the shaft (it was in my wife's name so her signup credit was at stake, as well as her reputation for future bookings) and take a big risk given that we were in the no-cancellation period and we'd be relying on the host's honesty to refund the money. No thanks.
Anyway, after the host cancelled, we ended up getting a credit from Airbnb ($60 IIRC) and some suggested alternatives were sent to us. Airbnb's service was good, I have to hand it to them. But it's only as good as the hosts, who can be flaky or compromised by late-departing guests... both of those things have happened to me.
I can't blame your mother for taking the position that she has on the matter.
#588
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,418
After my experiences (which haven't been catastrophic, just subject to some inconveniences), I have become unlikely to select Airbnb hosts who aren't superhosts or at the very least have solid track records with many positive reviews. I just won't take a chance now.
As for cancellations, I'm not sure what the impact on hosts is, but in my most recent case the host clearly wanted to avoid cancelling because she had done it before (not sure how many times) and her listing would get yanked. I'm an understanding guy but I don't see why my wife and I should get the shaft (it was in my wife's name so her signup credit was at stake, as well as her reputation for future bookings) and take a big risk given that we were in the no-cancellation period and we'd be relying on the host's honesty to refund the money. No thanks.
Anyway, after the host cancelled, we ended up getting a credit from Airbnb ($60 IIRC) and some suggested alternatives were sent to us. Airbnb's service was good, I have to hand it to them. But it's only as good as the hosts, who can be flaky or compromised by late-departing guests... both of those things have happened to me.
I can't blame your mother for taking the position that she has on the matter.
As for cancellations, I'm not sure what the impact on hosts is, but in my most recent case the host clearly wanted to avoid cancelling because she had done it before (not sure how many times) and her listing would get yanked. I'm an understanding guy but I don't see why my wife and I should get the shaft (it was in my wife's name so her signup credit was at stake, as well as her reputation for future bookings) and take a big risk given that we were in the no-cancellation period and we'd be relying on the host's honesty to refund the money. No thanks.
Anyway, after the host cancelled, we ended up getting a credit from Airbnb ($60 IIRC) and some suggested alternatives were sent to us. Airbnb's service was good, I have to hand it to them. But it's only as good as the hosts, who can be flaky or compromised by late-departing guests... both of those things have happened to me.
I can't blame your mother for taking the position that she has on the matter.
Honestly, I don't think this is a MAJOR risk with airbnb, only a minor one. It should really only play into your booking consideration if you're headed to town for a major event, where bookings are scarce, and a last minute cancellation would be particularly problematic. Of course, that's what often motivates one to book with airbnb, when the hotels are very expensive for a peak period. Unfortunately, there's not a good solution to this problem. You'll likely save money going the airbnb route, but also increase your risk. Every individual has to weigh that equation and decide for themselves under the particular circumstances.
#589
Join Date: Jul 2012
Programs: Delta Gold, Alaska Gold 75K, LATAM Black
Posts: 3,393
I've only had one cancellation in almost 20 airbnb bookings, and that one was many weeks in advance. I also got a credit from airbnb for my troubles.
Honestly, I don't think this is a MAJOR risk with airbnb, only a minor one. It should really only play into your booking consideration if you're headed to town for a major event, where bookings are scarce, and a last minute cancellation would be particularly problematic. Of course, that's what often motivates one to book with airbnb, when the hotels are very expensive for a peak period. Unfortunately, there's not a good solution to this problem. You'll likely save money going the airbnb route, but also increase your risk. Every individual has to weigh that equation and decide for themselves under the particular circumstances.
Honestly, I don't think this is a MAJOR risk with airbnb, only a minor one. It should really only play into your booking consideration if you're headed to town for a major event, where bookings are scarce, and a last minute cancellation would be particularly problematic. Of course, that's what often motivates one to book with airbnb, when the hotels are very expensive for a peak period. Unfortunately, there's not a good solution to this problem. You'll likely save money going the airbnb route, but also increase your risk. Every individual has to weigh that equation and decide for themselves under the particular circumstances.
#590
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,418
But what's the real value of being a "superhost"? I don't really know what it is, but I assumed it was based on good reviews. Personally, I just look for 5 and 4 1/2 star rated properties with plenty of reviews, and don't really look for the "superhost" designation.
#591
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MSY
Programs: BA GfL
Posts: 5,926
To be a superhost (I am one), each year on a rolling basis, you need to:
- never cancel a booking
- respond to at least 90% of inquiries within a certain amount of time
- get at least 80% 5-star reviews
- host at least 10 stays
The statistics are reviewed every quarter and you will lose the Superhost designation for a year if you miss even one indicator in one quarter. I find it a very valuable signifier as a guest, and I'm very careful to keep up my stats as a host.
- never cancel a booking
- respond to at least 90% of inquiries within a certain amount of time
- get at least 80% 5-star reviews
- host at least 10 stays
The statistics are reviewed every quarter and you will lose the Superhost designation for a year if you miss even one indicator in one quarter. I find it a very valuable signifier as a guest, and I'm very careful to keep up my stats as a host.
#592
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Norway, Maine
Programs: United Silver and HH Diamond
Posts: 1,474
This only works when you can find a superhost. I am currently looking for a place in Maui over the Christmas holiday and there are very few superhosts on the entire island (but plenty of others).
#593
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: YVR, HNL
Programs: AS 75k, UA peon, BA Bronze, AC E50k, Marriott Plat, HH Diamond, Fairmont Plat (RIP)
Posts: 7,832
I am on AirBnB but would never dream of using it as my primary advertising platform. I use it very infrequently to fill small, short-duration holes in my calendar. When one is not using it much, it becomes very difficult to attain and retain Superhost.
To me, reviews, both on AirBnB and on other sites if you take the time to search for the same property elsewhere, are the best indicator of the quality of the product and the host.
#594
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MSY
Programs: BA GfL
Posts: 5,926
Agree 100%. I have done well with both Airbnb and sites like VRBO, HomeAway etc. by carefully reading reviews.
#595
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I find it very interesting that while almost all the reviews posted on airbnb are favorable, the reviews of the airbnb service itself are terrible.
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.airbnb.com
There's an obvious disconnect here. Airbnb needs to revise their review system to generate more accurate reviews. If people go in with too high an expectation, they will be disappointed -- and perhaps never book on airbnb again. There's something about the lack of anonymity and person-to-person nature of airbnb that encourages erroneous happy talk reviews on their website.
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.airbnb.com
There's an obvious disconnect here. Airbnb needs to revise their review system to generate more accurate reviews. If people go in with too high an expectation, they will be disappointed -- and perhaps never book on airbnb again. There's something about the lack of anonymity and person-to-person nature of airbnb that encourages erroneous happy talk reviews on their website.
#596
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Norway, Maine
Programs: United Silver and HH Diamond
Posts: 1,474
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There's an obvious disconnect here. Airbnb needs to revise their review system to generate more accurate reviews. If people go in with too high an expectation, they will be disappointed -- and perhaps never book on airbnb again. There's something about the lack of anonymity and person-to-person nature of airbnb that encourages erroneous happy talk reviews on their website.[/QUOTE]
This is a great point. I am much more willing to be critical (but honest) on TripAdvisor than on Airbnb. At my last stay on Airbnb, I was texted daily by the owner if I had any problems but many of the problems that I had couldn't really be solved while I was there. What if the AC is too loud? What if the bed sucks? What if the lights are too dim? These aren't problems that can be easily or quickly solved (especially if it is a condo or apartment complex) by an owner listing a week on Airbnb.
The only way you are going to make it more anonymous and create more honesty in reviews is not to reveal my personal information to the owner of the unit unless I damage the house or apartment. Why should they know my name, address, phone number, and Facebook page? I don't know their personal information if they live somewhere else from the unit they are renting.
There's an obvious disconnect here. Airbnb needs to revise their review system to generate more accurate reviews. If people go in with too high an expectation, they will be disappointed -- and perhaps never book on airbnb again. There's something about the lack of anonymity and person-to-person nature of airbnb that encourages erroneous happy talk reviews on their website.[/QUOTE]
This is a great point. I am much more willing to be critical (but honest) on TripAdvisor than on Airbnb. At my last stay on Airbnb, I was texted daily by the owner if I had any problems but many of the problems that I had couldn't really be solved while I was there. What if the AC is too loud? What if the bed sucks? What if the lights are too dim? These aren't problems that can be easily or quickly solved (especially if it is a condo or apartment complex) by an owner listing a week on Airbnb.
The only way you are going to make it more anonymous and create more honesty in reviews is not to reveal my personal information to the owner of the unit unless I damage the house or apartment. Why should they know my name, address, phone number, and Facebook page? I don't know their personal information if they live somewhere else from the unit they are renting.
#597
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MSY
Programs: BA GfL
Posts: 5,926
The host doesn't know all that. We get your name and phone number, that's it--in other words, the same personal information that you get from the host (except you also get our home addresses). Even the email is an Airbnb-generated forwarding address.
#598
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: YVR, HNL
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Posts: 7,832
..The only way you are going to make it more anonymous and create more honesty in reviews is not to reveal my personal information to the owner of the unit unless I damage the house or apartment. Why should they know my name, address, phone number, and Facebook page? I don't know their personal information if they live somewhere else from the unit they are renting.
Just as a matter of curiosity (as someone who vacations in Hawaii every year), why is that? I have also struggled to find condos on Airbnb there when traveling with friends, although as a solo traveler I am fine staying in private rooms, of which there are plenty on Airbnb in Hawaii.
Agree 100%. I have done well with both Airbnb and sites like VRBO, HomeAway etc. by carefully reading reviews.
Agree 100%. I have done well with both Airbnb and sites like VRBO, HomeAway etc. by carefully reading reviews.
The inability to charge state-mandated taxes and/or be transparent about including the tax in your pricing is also a huge issue in Hawaii. Hawaii recently tried to impose some draconian charges on vacation rental owners because of AirBnB. If owners are not charging the 13.96% tax (or at least being transparent about the taxes by disclosing our business tax number on the listing), then what is the liklihood they are remitting those GE and TA taxes to the county/state as required by law on their AirBnB bookings? Pretty slim, which is why the state is trying to tax-and-fee us to death - to make up for those who are cheating them out of the taxes. I highly doubt many AirBnB hosts are paying GE/TAT taxes on their bookings which hurts all of us legitimate vacation rental owners. If they are honest and paying the required taxes (as I do), then that is ~14% less out of the price you pay that I make as I have to remit that amount to the state. That is a huge cut out of already lower prices I am getting on AirBnB vs other platforms such as VRBO. That's why I only use AirBnB to fill small gaps in my calendar.
Last edited by Finkface; Aug 4, 2017 at 10:18 am
#599
Join Date: Jul 2012
Programs: Delta Gold, Alaska Gold 75K, LATAM Black
Posts: 3,393
This is a great point. I am much more willing to be critical (but honest) on TripAdvisor than on Airbnb. At my last stay on Airbnb, I was texted daily by the owner if I had any problems but many of the problems that I had couldn't really be solved while I was there. What if the AC is too loud? What if the bed sucks? What if the lights are too dim? These aren't problems that can be easily or quickly solved (especially if it is a condo or apartment complex) by an owner listing a week on Airbnb.
The only way you are going to make it more anonymous and create more honesty in reviews is not to reveal my personal information to the owner of the unit unless I damage the house or apartment. Why should they know my name, address, phone number, and Facebook page? I don't know their personal information if they live somewhere else from the unit they are renting.
The only way you are going to make it more anonymous and create more honesty in reviews is not to reveal my personal information to the owner of the unit unless I damage the house or apartment. Why should they know my name, address, phone number, and Facebook page? I don't know their personal information if they live somewhere else from the unit they are renting.
#600
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MSY
Programs: BA GfL
Posts: 5,926
The inability to charge state-mandated taxes and/or be transparent about including the tax in your pricing is also a huge issue in Hawaii. Hawaii recently tried to impose some draconian charges on vacation rental owners because of AirBnB. If owners are not charging the 13.96% tax (or at least being transparent about the taxes by disclosing our business tax number on the listing), then what is the liklihood they are remitting those GE and TA taxes to the county/state as required by law on their AirBnB bookings?
Anyway, thanks for your response. I hope things improve in the future in Hawaii. For me, VRBO is a very clunky interface that is dramatically less user-friendly and frictionless vs. Airbnb, so I'd rather not be stuck using it.