This is second 787 engines test is very successful this morning. I'm sure 787 will be put first revenue flight sometime in the couple weeks later. I think Boeing is in progress to being fixed the final test of first 787.
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Yes, even if one were to wax poetic a delivery schedule, ANA will be the launch carrier in 2011. Then if Boeing is lucky, the 747-8 would be launched by the end of that year. That's really waxing poetic now. Then, two years later in 2013, the A350 goes into testing with deliveries shortly thereafter.
... Then, two years later in 2013, the A350 goes into testing with deliveries currently scheduled for shortly thereafter.
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We don't have to look too far back to find all the A380 schedule delays (which had some Boeing fanboys* gloating). Now we're seeing 787 schedule delays (which have some Airbus fanboys gloating). I have a funny suspicion that we just might see a few A350 schedule delays too (which will undoubtedly get the Boeing fanboys gloating again). After that, there will be some Boeing schedule delay, and so on until holodecks become our normal mode of travel.
Amidst all the Airbii and Boeing delays, I am hoping Bombardier can zoom ahead with their C-series jets to replace some of the single aisle a/c currently in use. In the meantime, we'll see what happens with the 787.
We don't have to look too far back to find all the A380 schedule delays (which had some Boeing fanboys* gloating). Now we're seeing 787 schedule delays (which have some Airbus fanboys gloating). I have a funny suspicion that we just might see a few A350 schedule delays too (which will undoubtedly get the Boeing fanboys gloating again). After that, there will be some Boeing schedule delay, and so on until holodecks become our normal mode of travel.
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One would think that Airbus would learn from its & Boeing's mistakes and put a few cushions into the schedule so that "schedule delays" would be kept at a minimum for PR's sake.
One would think that Airbus would learn from its & Boeing's mistakes and put a few cushions into the schedule so that "schedule delays" would be kept at a minimum for PR's sake.
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Agreed. From the press release information Airbus has on the A350 so far, they are taking a conservative approach of using composites in their new airframe. Some other post also mentions that Airbus is not using composites over very large surfaces compared to the 787. Hopefully, this and experience in previous manufacturing delays on other Airbus a/c would mean "lessons learned" for the rollout and production of new a/c.
One would think that Airbus would learn from its & Boeing's mistakes and put a few cushions into the schedule so that "schedule delays" would be kept at a minimum for PR's sake.
One would think that managers in any field would learn from everyone's prior experience and come up with schedules that allow for the inevitable contingencies. As travelers, we may not know just what the problem will be or where in a trip it will come up, but we're pretty sure there will generally be one someplace. Of course project planners should know this too, but they don't always use this knowledge in official plans.
However, a common scenario in software (where I have some professional experience) goes a bit like this:
Boss: Please give me a schedule estimate for this project.
Project manager (goes off and works on it, then): Twelve months.
Boss: That's too long. We need it in six.
PM (goes off again): Can't be done in less than ten.
Boss: Didn't you hear me? We need it in six.
PM: Ten is the minimum.
Boss: If you can't do it in six months, I'll find a project manager who can.
PM: OK, six.
The PM then updates his or her résumé, starts hunting for a job, and leaves before the fit hits the shan. The project, with a new manager, is finished (if the firm is lucky) in ten to twelve months.
The pressures in the aircraft biz are different, but how many 787s would Boeing have sold if they had said, from the get-go, that the first customer revenue flights wouldn't be until 2011 (or 2012)? The fact is that unrealistic schedules pay off in many ways for people who come up with them. They're not going to go away. As customers, we can only protect ourselves against it by not betting too much on any supplier making its promised schedule for a new, innovative product. It's OK to be the launch customer for something, at least you'll have it before anyone else does, but don't count on that happening anywhere near the original date.
One would think that Airbus would learn from its & Boeing's mistakes and put a few cushions into the schedule so that "schedule delays" would be kept at a minimum for PR's sake.
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They did leard already. There's a team at Toulouse ( for more then a year now ) which only had the order to collect any information about Boeing/787 they can get from any available source. They then analyze what Boeing did wrong ( or good! ) and what Airbus can learn from their mistakes in the future. There are already lessons which did get out: no firm first flight / delivery dates untill known for sure, several of those "cushions" will be built in the testing schedule as nobody knows in advance what kind of surprises coming up during the test and certification flights.
Enjoyed the video of 787 taxi tests. The taxi tests are very successful and hopefully the 787 will be ready to be flying into the skies for first time.
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The pressures in the aircraft biz are different, but how many 787s would Boeing have sold if they had said, from the get-go, that the first customer revenue flights wouldn't be until 2011 (or 2012)?[/QUOTE]
I dunno. But with the delays and regular technical fault finding, the development of the 787 is damaging Boeings reputation.
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