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Old Feb 11, 09, 1:30 am   #31
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I believe the Mandarin Oriental Resort in Sanya was the first foray into China for MO.
I said mainland China. Sanya is on an island.
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Old Feb 11, 09, 4:41 am   #32
 
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I said mainland China. Sanya is on an island.
Well, that defines mainland China in a way I've never heard before. Under that definition, the Mandarin in HK should be counted, or it isn't because it is on an island?
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Old Feb 11, 09, 6:05 am   #33
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Well, that defines mainland China in a way I've never heard before. Under that definition, the Mandarin in HK should be counted, or it isn't because it is on an island?
The Mandarin in HK doesn't count for two reasons.

1. It is an island.
2. It was built and opened in a British colony.

Look, I know about Sanya, but it is quite different than Beijing in that it is:

1. An island.
2. A completely different world than Beijing or any other city in the PRC.

Yes, Sanya was MO's first foray into the PRC, but I maintain that it isn't anything like what they attempted in Beijing.

Semantics.
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Old Feb 11, 09, 6:54 am   #34
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It's going to be lose/lose for MO as there is probably going to be a strong negative effect on their goodwill as well since everyone refers to this as the 'Fire at the Mandarin Oriental Beijing'......
I'm sure the Chinese government had a hand in that reference in that it wants to deflect publicity away from itself and (CCTV (which it turns out was responsible for the fire).
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Old Feb 11, 09, 8:16 am   #35
 
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Look, I know about Sanya, but it is quite different than Beijing in that it is:

1. An island.
2. A completely different world than Beijing or any other city in the PRC.

Yes, Sanya was MO's first foray into the PRC, but I maintain that it isn't anything like what they attempted in Beijing.
Sure, but Sanya is still part of "mainland China" as the term is commonly used, even if it is an island.
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Old Feb 11, 09, 8:21 am   #36
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Sure, but Sanya is still part of "mainland China" as the term is commonly used, even if it is an island.
OK, going by the Nixon-era definition of mainland China you are correct. I've moved past that myself, but one can't forget history.
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OK, going by the Nixon-era definition of mainland China you are correct. I've moved past that myself, but one can't forget history.

HUH ?? !!! ......there is a nixon era defination of mainland china ??...i dread to think what a george W bush era defination. would be...
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MO seems to have bad luck when it's come to fires before they open.
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Old Feb 12, 09, 11:04 pm   #39
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MO seems to have bad luck when it's come to fires before they open.
Really? Any other cases that you are aware of?
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but it's really saddening that a lot of people died on that incident.
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Old Feb 14, 09, 12:50 pm   #41
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OK, going by the Nixon-era definition of mainland China you are correct. I've moved past that myself, but one can't forget history.
Hong Kong media would also lump news from Hainan in their "Mainland" segments.
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Old Feb 14, 09, 1:20 pm   #42
 
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The term "mainland China", even if the "m" is not capitalized, has always been used to refer to the area ruled by the PRC. It is not about whether a place is an island or not.

Well, maybe Hainan residents will say "let's go to the 'mainland' " for getting to the other provinces on the continent, but it's ridiculous to say on a travel board like this that Hainan is not part of mainland China. Otherwise, it'd be similar to saying Hawaii and Alaska are not part of the United States as those areas are not "united" to the contiguous 48.

And BTW, until 1988, Hainan was part of Guangdong.
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The term "mainland China", even if the "m" is not capitalized, has always been used to refer to the area ruled by the PRC. It is not about whether a place is an island or not.
And a lot better than what some (eg, a certain CNN broadcaster, a has-been from NYC network news) still insist using: Red China ()
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And a lot better than what some (eg, a certain CNN broadcaster, a has-been from NYC network news) still insist using: Red China ()
Haha, but Chinese do like to use colors to represent their affiliation. Red for the communist party, yellow for pro-Tibetian movement, blue for Kuomintang, green for Progressive Party of Taiwan and/or pro-Taiwanese independence, black for the gangs/triads, etc.
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Old Feb 14, 09, 9:15 pm   #45
 
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but it's really saddening that a lot of people died on that incident.
Really? I thought the death toll was 1, a firefighter. Or are we talking about another MO fire (has there been another one)?
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