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Old Jan 6, 09, 6:55 pm   #16
 
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I was not aware that plaintiff's costs, such as lost work hours, gas, phone bills, mailing costs, etc., were covered by the defendants (other than coming out of the award).
I'm talking purely hypothetically here (basically said in jest), not about this specific case, and neither am I following how things are done in the US courts and neither do I claim to know anything about the US court system in the first place. 0.1% of 240k I mentioned was purely what I personally felt was probably suitable for 'pain and suffering' of having to cover up the T-shirt (and not including lost earnings etc). None of it was meant to be taken too seriously.

I guess if the award for 'pain and suffering' is limited to something commensurate with the actual pain and suffering, it doesn't give people any incentive to bring it to court and that could do the whole process some harm by letting officials and organisations get away with inappropriate behaviour.
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Old Jan 6, 09, 11:10 pm   #18
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Very bad decision.
Right. I think it wasn't their decision where Arabs are discrimination against of B6 agents.
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Old Jan 7, 09, 2:29 am   #19
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This is a good outcome but it could be better if it required the TSA and JetBlue parties to pay much more money than $240,000.

There is nothing bad about this outcome -- except in the heads of racists and other bigoted nervous nellies like Annie the Paranoid Bigot Jacobson. She and her fans must now be very scared.
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Old Jan 7, 09, 9:23 am   #20
 
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This is a good outcome but it could be better if it required the TSA and JetBlue parties to pay much more money than $240,000.

There is nothing bad about this outcome -- except in the heads of racists and other bigoted nervous nellies like Annie the Paranoid Bigot Jacobson. She and her fans must now be very scared.
She is still bigoted but as someone who started her professional writing career as a business and finance journalist, she has turned her sights outside the US but still aiming at her "usual suspects". Surprising and laughable that she has not written any article about Russian drug cum white slavery lords because she knows that won't go down well. Still making money selling stories on fear
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Old Jan 8, 09, 5:55 pm   #21
 
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240K????

Maybe he should have got a free ticket or something. Some slime lawyer screws B6 out of $240K for a trivial mistake? This country is in real trouble when this much money is awarded for a simple mistake.
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Old Jan 8, 09, 10:35 pm   #22
 
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A few people should have been fired, and the airline should have received a hefty fine. Along with a lot of bad press.

A large civil judgement is ridiculous. The lasting harm was zip. I bet any of us would agree to be "humiliated" in this way for $2400, let alone $240K. Sign me up to be the next one, if I'm to get a judgement like that.
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Old Jan 9, 09, 1:10 am   #23
 
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What a ridiculous decision.

Each one of us have suffered many more affronts and indignities in our lives than this the trivial request to cover up some Arabic writing.

Today someone cut me off in traffic. Perhaps he owes me $500,000.00

Another time a cop gave me a ticket and I'm sure I wasn't speeding. Must be discrimination. How about I sue for 10 million dollars.

This guy suffered no injury and he has clearly sought official victim status to earn a financial reward. Poor suffering victim who had to cover up his tee-shirt. I knew (before he died) an Auschwitz survivor who never played up the victim role, he just got on with his life and career. I have also met refugees from communist countries, a man whose daughter was kidnapped and murdered, parents whose kid may die of cancer, etc. These people are real victims. Interestingly, real victims tend to not demand compensation or pity, they just get on with things.

If I were ordered to cover up a tee-shirt I would be mildly ticked off, then I would get on with my day as I have more important things to worry about.

The tee-shirt "victim" should have received a sum of money equivalent to the value of his emotional suffering (ie. 25 cents) and been forced to pay the defendants' costs out of his own pocket due to his abuse of the court system.
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Each one of us have suffered many more affronts and indignities in our lives than this the trivial request to cover up some Arabic writing.
I would venture that you've never been discriminated against because of your ethnic background.

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The tee-shirt "victim" should have received a sum of money equivalent to the value of his emotional suffering (ie. 25 cents) and been forced to pay the defendants' costs out of his own pocket due to his abuse of the court system.
The money was awarded as punitive measures against the airline for discriminating against its customer, not as compensatory damages for the affronted.
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What a ridiculous decision.

Each one of us have suffered many more affronts and indignities in our lives than this the trivial request to cover up some Arabic writing.
An inability to understand the importance of this decision in this day and age means you will never appreciate it's significance and future benefit to you as well as those who are prone to being profiled because of their religion or ethnicity.
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The money was awarded as punitive measures against the airline for discriminating against its customer, not as compensatory damages for the affronted.
That's what's wrong with the decision.
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That's what's wrong with the decision.
But levying large punitive damages is how the US system keeps companies in line.

In Europe, we have laws (oh, do we have laws).

In the US, we have courts.
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That's what's wrong with the decision.
How is the fact that the law allows awards that make it possible to sue wrong? Awarding actual damages (probably <$100) would make this kind of suit impossible. What alternative, if any, do you suggest?
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There is nothing bad about this outcome -- except in the heads of racists and other bigoted nervous nellies like Annie the Paranoid Bigot Jacobson. She and her fans must now be very scared.
With only rare exception, proven yet again.
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Old Jan 9, 09, 4:53 pm   #30
 
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What alternative, if any, do you suggest?
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A few people should have been fired, and the airline should have received a hefty fine. Along with a lot of bad press.
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