Camera/Diaper bags are EXEMPTIONS of that 2 bag rule. So is reading material and food items that you purchase in the terminal. So are canes and crutches.
Cabin seat baggage is also NOT included in the count because YOUR PAYING FOR THE SEAT. Thus, you're paying for it to be in the cabin. example, a chello.
Someone else had the same explanation as well online
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Reply 18, posted Sat Jan 21 2006 20:26:11 your local time (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
Answer is simple: Americans as a whole take more stuff when they travel than other nationalities. For whatever reason, we just need it. Hence, the FAA in the USA mandated the 2 pc/30kg rule for passengers traveling to/from the USA.
Unlike in my posts, your posts have not quoted any specific language that exists in federal law or regulations that demonstrates that there is any federal mandate of just "one carry on + one personal item" applicable to all airlines flying in or from the US; and so it's understandable that you don't care for any responses anymore since my earlier responses have already shown that your "federal mandate" is fictional as it is not based upon existing federal law and regulations (and not even upon that subset for which FAA has charge).
I am not here to change your beliefs and other opinions on this matter or any other, but I am here to challenge the fictions presented as "fact" in your posts. My challenging your fictional "federal mandate" that would wishfully limit all US airlines to "one carry on + one personal item" has nothing to do with my opinions about cabin baggage; my challenging your posts has to do with wanting the facts about federal law and regulations in this regard to triumph over misrepresentations that exist in your posts here.
Each US airline (read: certificate holder) is required to come up with its own individual cabin baggage program -- that includes specifying how many cabin baggage items the airline will permit -- and then file it with the FAA. When US airlines file their cabin baggage programs with the FAA, the airline cabin baggage program that goes into the operational specifications file of the US airlines can include even three or more pieces of cabin baggage. That remains the situation -- long after 1987 too -- even when putting aside camera-, infant- and paid cabin baggage-related policies.
While you resort to your beliefs about this matter, I resort to the facts on this matter and quoted from actual federal sources above for a reason -- that reason being that this is not about my opinion but about dispelling a myth with facts. We are all free to believe whatever we want but your beliefs on this topic do not a federal mandate make. Federal law and regulations are what they are on this matter regardless of what you believe and want. Individuals are entitled to whatever manufactured beliefs (that includes opinions) provide them comfort, but individuals are not entitled to make up "facts".
Since 1987, US airlines have been within their right to revise their cabin baggage programs to 1, 2 or 3+ carry-on items -- even beyond camera-related, infant-related and/or paid cabin baggage-related items -- as long as the airline supplies the FAA with its cabin baggage program and met the FAA's broad guidelines related to cabin baggage programs. [Those broad guidelines do not require that airlines be restricted to your favored "one carry on + one personal item" limit.] After an airline files its own individual cabin baggage program with the FAA and the FAA finds nothing objectionable in the airline's cabin baggage program, the FAA then files the airline's cabbing baggage program and backs the individual airline's cabin baggage program in respect to the individual airline's own cabin baggage program. FAA's rules do not require that all US airlines have a cabin baggage program of "one carry on + one personal item". Your beliefs or my beliefs won't change the facts.
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Unlike in the US, the major legacy carriers in Europe allow for one free checked bag on domestic flights too.
What I would like to know is if the major legacy carriers in Europe are better or worse with checked baggage handling than the major legacy carriers in the US.
I don't have any numbers, but from personal experience, AF, BA and US have all separated me from my checked baggage at one time or another. While I've never had a baggage issue in FRA, it has at times taken 45 minutes and up to an hour from deplaning to the baggage carousel even starting. I would guess the record in Europe is pretty similar across the board,
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What I'd like to see (if I were king for a day), I'd like to see airlines start dividing their overhead bins with flexible dividers that chop the overhead bin into three equal sections...one for 11A, one for 11B and one for 11C. If 11A's bag fits into 11A's slot, no problem. If 11B wants to stuff a large bag in and take up 11C's space, there is no problem if 11C is not using their spot. If 11B can't fit their 'stuff' in the overhead, it goes under the seat in front of...drum roll, please...11B! Or, 11B pays whatever extra to have it checked.
Bottom line, each passenger should have first dibs on their equal amount of overhead bin space.
In terms of financial compensation arrangements for delayed, lost, stolen, or damaged luggage, would you also happen to know if the European majors that are part of the big 3 alliances are more generous or less generous with compensation per mishandled bag?
I do not have neutral data on this subject, but our own internal research has shown that US carriers are far more likely to settle compensation claims quicker and for higher value than European ones. One exception to this is British Airways who is far more liberal with compensation payments than any US carrier.
What I would like to know is if the major legacy carriers in Europe are better or worse with checked baggage handling than the major legacy carriers in the US.
I've had luggage lost by Swiss and by Air France/Alitalia (transferring from one to the other on code shares, not sure which one was to blame.)
I do not have neutral data on this subject, but our own internal research has shown that US carriers are far more likely to settle compensation claims quicker and for higher value than European ones. One exception to this is British Airways who is far more liberal with compensation payments than any US carrier.
That certainly aligns with my own experiences. Given that BA, DL-NW and AF-KL lead the pack in mishandling my checked bags, it has indeed seemed to me that BA has in recent years been paying out good sums in a reasonable time frame far more readily than the other airlines I have named here and better than all of the US airline on average (despite the legal liability minimum for mishandled baggage being higher for domestic US trips than for international trips governed even by the Montreal Convention). [That it happens to be BA, DL-NW and AF-KL that I mention in this regard may largely be a function of my having more flights on them with checked bags than with many other carriers.]
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Unlike in my posts, your posts have not quoted any specific language that exists in federal law or regulations that demonstrates that there is any federal mandate of just "one carry on + one personal item" applicable to all airlines flying in or from the US; .
The current guidelines for carry-on bags were established more than two decades ago in the context of a very different industry. Today, these guidelines are inadequate to ensure passenger safety and security.
The September 11 attacks underscored the need for a comprehensive effort to improve aviation security. Following the attacks, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) set carry-on baggage limits. Both issued guidance to carriers that limited passengers to one carry-on bag and one personal item. These restrictions are loosely enforced and neither agency is explicit in communicating the restrictions to the public. In fact, the FAA website no longer even mentions the limit of one carry-on bag and one personal item.
In 1996, an FAA Aviation Security Advisory Committee recommended limiting the size, type and amount of carry-on baggage. International countries and bodies, such as the European Union (EU), also have recognized the need for carry-on bag limitations and proposed regulations in April 2007.
By reducing the number of bags screened, TSA employees could conduct more effective security screenings and by reducing the volume of each individual bag, x-ray images would be clearer, also improving the effectiveness of the screening process. In the aircraft cabin, carry-on bag limitations would reduce boarding and deplaning delays and would minimize related physical and verbal abuse of flight attendants.
Once again, I urge you to support H.R. 2870 to implement clear and concise limits on the number and size of carry-on bags to ensure continued enhancement of security and safety for the traveling public.
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The current guidelines for carry-on bags were established more than two decades ago in the context of a very different industry. Today, these guidelines are inadequate to ensure passenger safety and security.
Wow...I think I just vomited a bit in my mouth.
Seriously, please tell me that you copied that from somewhere else and didn't write it yourself.
The current guidelines for carry-on bags were established more than two decades ago in the context of a very different industry.
False. The 1987 guidelines were cancelled:
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2. CANCELLATION. AC 121-29, Carry-On Baggage, dated November 2, 1987, is canceled.
Now go and try to figure out in what year that 1987 FAA carry-on baggage guideline was subject to cancellation by the FAA and replaced by the FAA. Then perhaps you too will finally realize at least this one simple fact: the current FAA guidelines dealing with carry-on baggage are less than two decades old regardless of the myths which you have been trying to sell above.
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The current FAA guidelines on carry-on baggage were not established two decades ago. There were cancellations and revisions in 1998 and in 2000 no less. 1998 is one decade ago and 2000 is obviously not two decades ago.
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keeping baggage in the same class of service as the passenger.
I am fed up with economy passengers who stow their bags in the first class bins on flights.
I have boarded with the herd only to find no space at all for my small carry on bag. Especially on AA the FA's stand there like nothing is happening. You know who has stowed what when the flight has landed and people haul down their bags.
Start with this!
If it is a "small carry on bag" shouldn't it be stowed under the seat instead of placed in the overhead?
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Europe not only regulates the number of carry on but is also very strict on the size and weight whihc is often more than half of which US airlines allow.
The only European airport we where we experienced a sizer has been LGW and we have flown out of MXP, FCO, VCE, CDG, BCN, MUC, FRA, LHR and MRS.
From USA Today "No official carry-on numbers exist, agrees David Castelveter, spokesman for the Air Transport Association, which represents major U.S. airlines. "We don't have evidence across the board that there is an increased number of carry-on bags," he says." has Mr. Castelveter not flown recently or spoken with any FAs?
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Seriously, please tell me that you copied that from somewhere else and didn't write it yourself.
Please.
Please tell me you're an adult who really doesnt vomit in your mouth.
Of course, it's copied. I'd rather NOT spend all day on a board LIKE YOU TWO. Adding links, paragraphs, etc.
I wanted you to read:
The September 11 attacks underscored the need for a comprehensive effort to improve aviation security. Following the attacks, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) set carry-on baggage limits. Both issued guidance to carriers that limited passengers to one carry-on bag and one personal item. These restrictions are loosely enforced and neither agency is explicit in communicating the restrictions to the public. In fact, the FAA website no longer even mentions the limit of one carry-on bag and one personal item.
And, please since you LOVE to add links in your posts. POST a link to an airline in the US that has MORE then one bag, one personal item.
K. Not the exempt items or/and seat baggage with you PAY FOR.
The FAA's 1998 item which mentions the cancellation of the 1987 item which it replaced:
The current FAA guidelines on carry-on baggage were not established two decades ago. There were cancellations and revisions in 1998 and in 2000 no less. 1998 is one decade ago and 2000 is obviously not two decades ago.
I've seen what page you linked, it was written in 1998. The TWO BAG RULE became effective in 1987. Making that BAGGAGE RULE two decades ago.
DO THE Math. The "current" Bag rule was changed after 9-11. One Carry on and a personal item.
I've seen what page you linked, it was written in 1998. The TWO BAG RULE became effective in 1987. Making that BAGGAGE RULE two decades ago.
You claimed that the FAA's current guidelines for carry-on baggage is two decades old. You provided that myth and I exposed it as a myth. The FAA's current carry-on baggage guidelines are nowhere close to two decades old. Your 1987 "federal mandate" of "one carry one + one personal item" was cancelled over a decade ago.
You seem to believe that the FAA has a uniform carry-on baggage "federal mandate" of "one carry on + one personal item" which is the same across all US airlines and that the carry-on baggage "federal mandate" of "one carry on + one personal item" has been the same since 1987. Your provided that myth and I exposed it as a myth too.
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Then perhaps you too will finally realize at least this one simple fact: the current FAA guidelines dealing with carry-on baggage are less than two decades old regardless of the myths which you have been trying to sell above.
