I have seen people boarding planes from CID to DEN or ORD, which are the small planes with no carry ons allowed in the overhead bins, pay to check the bag. I don't get it. I let them gate check it, carry on my laptop and am happy.
I do get unhappy with entire families having one person board the plane and somehow has all the luggage and puts it in the bins right in the front of the plane. Then they go on their merry way to the rear of the plane. Where are the people who are sitting there supposed to put their carry on?
What I would like to know is if the major legacy carriers in Europe are better or worse with checked baggage handling than the major legacy carriers in the US.
Significantly worse.
I have comparitive numbers from part of 2008 where Delta's mishandled baggage rate was 5.32 per 1000 while most of the European majors were in the 15-20 per 1000 range.
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I have seen people boarding planes from CID to DEN or ORD, which are the small planes with no carry ons allowed in the overhead bins, pay to check the bag. I don't get it. I let them gate check it, carry on my laptop and am happy.
Maybe they're carrying items that aren't allowed past the security checkpoint. I've checked a bag on RJ flights in the past because I was carrying something "hazardous" (ie, bottle of wine).
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I have comparitive numbers from part of 2008 where Delta's mishandled baggage rate was 5.32 per 1000 while most of the European majors were in the 15-20 per 1000 range.
In terms of financial compensation arrangements for delayed, lost, stolen, or damaged luggage, would you also happen to know if the European majors that are part of the big 3 alliances are more generous or less generous with compensation per mishandled bag?
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No need to shout. NW is a correct answer to your question.
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Carry-on Allowance
Be sure to check new requirements from the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) regarding restrictions to items in carry-on baggage. Visit www.tsa.gov for details.
Northwest allows you to carry one piece of baggage on board the aircraft plus a purse or briefcase or laptop computer or small backpack. The carry-on baggage must be of a size and shape to allow for storage in overhead compartments or underneath the seat in front of you.
Dimensions:
Cannot exceed 45 linear inches (9 inches by 14 inches by 22 inches)
Note: Baggage not meeting these specifications must be checked and is subject to any applicable fees.
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READ the carry on BAG POLICY. It's federally mandated. One carry on, one personal item.
That is a very recent change and reflects the fact that the airline is actually now Delta. Previously there was an allowance for a third bag - specifically for camera equipment - in the cabin. There is some discussion of that here: Carry on Baggage Limit..overcoat, camera, carry on, purse?
AA probably has rules, but they have no enforcement of those rules. at least not at dfw. the am elites truck on an oversized, a legal sized, and a third for good measure. the gate agents smile and let all on.....until 98 people are on the plane(all the elites and a few gate lice ) the rest of the carryon luggage gets checked. the AA elites think they deserve this privilege, as what else is elite?
READ the carry on BAG POLICY. It's federally mandated. One carry on, one personal item.
I've already read that and more. One carry on + one personal item is not a federal mandate. It's why NW, in addition to "one carry on, one personal item" also allowed camera equipment and/or "diaper" bags in the cabin earlier this year; and it's also why airlines flying within or from the US still allow passengers to buy "cabin seat baggage" and take on more than just the "one carry on, one personal item". If just "one carry on, one personal item" were a current "federal mandate" rather than a creation of airline's self-imposed restrictions filed with the government and then becoming policy, paid cabin seat baggage would not be allowed on top of your mythical federal mandate of "one carry on, one personal item".
There have been and still are those working on Capitol Hill who want a firm law or regulation that restricts cabin baggage to your "one carry on, one personal item" arrangement but it hasn't come into law.
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That is a very recent change and reflects the fact that the airline is actually now Delta. Previously there was an allowance for a third bag - specifically for camera equipment - in the cabin. There is some discussion of that here: Carry on Baggage Limit..overcoat, camera, carry on, purse?
Indeed. That change too was not due to any federal mandate this year, last year or even the year before.
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READ the carry on BAG POLICY. It's federally mandated. One carry on, one personal item.
Deep breaths...
You quoted the following from the NW carry-on baggage page (emphasis mine):
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Be sure to check new requirements from the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) regarding restrictions to items in carry-on baggage.
So we see here that the TSA has laid out requirements to what can be in carry-on baggage, not to the number of items one carries on. Farther down the page, we see the following:
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Additional Items that may be brought on board and do not count towards your allowance:
The list includes a diaper bag, as well as car seat, stroller, umbrella, camera (although it no longer specifies a camera BAG), etc. I could conceivably carry-on THREE bags, including a diaper bag, plus a stroller and a car seat - five large items total. The same can be said for American, but not for United, which does not explicitly allow a diaper bag. CO allows infant items (including diaper bags) and full-size video game consoles and dvd players. US Airways' site only states that a carryon and personal item are allowed, with no additional items listed. You'd think there would be greater consistency if the government mandated what is and is not allowed on board (or not, knowing our government).
I don't know who is correct, but it seems that your contention that the carryon limits are federally mandated is weak, given the variances (be they ever so slight) in policies between carriers.
I've already read that and more. One carry on + one personal item is not a federal mandate. It's why NW, in addition to "one carry on, one personal item" also allowed camera equipment and/or "diaper" bags in the cabin earlier this year; and it's also why airlines flying within or from the US still allow passengers to buy "cabin seat baggage" and take on more than just the "one carry on, one personal item". .
SEMANTICS. SURE, The passenger can buy "cabin seat baggage", but guess what?....THEY HAVE TO BUY A SEAT FOR THAT!!!!
One carry on + one personal item IS A FEDERAL MANDATE......GOOGLE IT.
I don't know who is correct, but it seems that your contention that the carryon limits are federally mandated is weak, given the variances (be they ever so slight) in policies between carriers.
the govt regulates the NUMBER OF CARRY-ONS...............they should REGULATE THE SIZE as well.
That in your perfect world the government has a uniform "federal mandate" that "regulates the number of carry-ons" on all US-serving airlines to "one carry on + one personal item" and would "regulate the size as well" is within your right. However, it doesn't mean your perfect world is reality today.
For some people who believe strongly that something "should" be, they often end up grabbing onto any string that may make their desired outcome seem real to them even when it is not realized the way they believe it "should" be. That's belief clouding judgment, and the AFA isn't free of that either. Then again this wouldn't be the first time that some flight attendants tried to perpetuate a myth.
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SEMANTICS. SURE, The passenger can buy "cabin seat baggage", but guess what?....THEY HAVE TO BUY A SEAT FOR THAT!!!!
One carry on + one personal item IS A FEDERAL MANDATE......GOOGLE IT.
1987: YEARS OF PRESSURE FROM AFA PROMPTS FAA TO ISSUE A POLICY "LIMITING" NUMBER OF CARRY ON BAGS>
there's NO contention. It's a policy by the FAA, who is a federal agency. Dont let that confuse you. <G>
You can call it semantics or whatever, but it doesn't change the following: a "federal mandate" of "one carry on + one personal item" applicable to all common carriers flying within or from the US is a fiction when airline policy in compliance with the FAA allows for more than your "one carry on + one personal item" since 1987 too.
Given all the major US legacy carriers have a frequent flyer program -- albeit, like cabin baggage policies, not uniform in every aspect either -- want to tell us that is a "federal mandate" from the FAA too?
It's not so hard to understand that the FAA "policy" related to cabin baggage is the FAA backing an airline's position on cabin baggage after an airline's policy is supplied to the FAA by the airline.
If people cared to properly research matters they would not only realize that 1987 is history, they would also realize what was actually done in 1987 in this regard and also how the FAA has scrapped what was done in 1987. Here's the wording from after the time that the 1987 FAA item was scrapped last decade:
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(1) Size and Amount of Carry-On Baggage. The operator’s program should provide information about the acceptable size of carry-on baggage. For example, some operators could have carry-on baggage programs that limit the size of each carry-on to 45 linear inches or
51 linear inches with the handles and wheels. However, a size limit should only be used if it is necessary to ensure proper stowage of carry-on baggage. In addition, the program should also provide information regarding the number of bags that are permitted per passenger, e.g., a limit of two bags per passenger. For example, an operator’s program could stipulate that passengers could carry on one bag with dimensions that do not exceed 45 linear inches (51 linear inches with wheels and handles) and a
second bag that does not exceed one-half of the linear inches of the first bag. Another possibility would be a two-bag limit, and stipulate that neither bag can exceed a certain linear inch limit.
Try to understand the meaning of "for example", "e.g.", and "possibility" above. "One carry on + one personal item" is not a federal mandate; it is but an example of a "limit of two bags per passenger" and that too is just a possible example of what an airline needs to file with the FAA in order to have it as an individual airline policy that does not run foul of federal law and regulations. When an individual airline files for carry-on baggage policies permitting more than two "bags" per passenger, they don't get automatically disapproved by the FAA. The FAA has approved carry-on baggage policies for US airlines since 1987 that allow for more than "one carry on + one personal item". You might not like it, but it doesn't change the reality of what has been and what is and is not federal law and regulation.
Your "federal mandate" of "one carry on + one personal item" across all US airlines since 1987 is a fiction. Since 1987, the FAA has accepted and continues to accept airline cabin baggage policies permitting more than your "one carry on + one personal item" "limit". While the following is not a federal mandate, you are free to continue to believe that the following is necessarily a "federal mandate" (even as it is not): company-established "limit" that a government body accepts and expects the company to honor.
The facts in this matter don't support your position. If/when Capitol Hill does what you want it to do, then perhaps your position of claiming there is a "federal mandate" limit of "one carry on + one personal item" will have some factual legs upon which to stand.
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2. CANCELLATION. AC 121-29, Carry-On Baggage, dated November 2, 1987, is canceled.
And then to make a "plain English" rendition of the "federal mandate" from the FAA to the airlines, this was part of the revision more than a decade after your 1987:
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Originally Posted by FAA
b. Provide information about how many items you will accept as carry-on baggage for each passenger. You may stipulate the maximum dimensions of these items, if you need to do so to ensure proper stowage.
In the FAA sourced documents quoted from above, there is no mention of "one carry one + one personal item" being the uniform standard established by the FAA.
As I was saying earlier and again and again since then, the FAA requires that airlines file a carry-on baggage policy with the FAA but it does not require the airline policy to be "one carry on + one personal item". Once the airline submits a carry-on baggage policy with the FAA, the FAA will back up the airline's policy on carry-on baggage as the policy was filed with the FAA.
There's a reason the following regulation reads as it does:
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Originally Posted by United States Government Printing Office
Part 121 OPERATING REQUIREMENTS: DOMESTIC, FLAG, AND SUPPLEMENTAL OPERATIONS
Subpart T--Flight Operations
Sec. 121.589
Carry-on baggage.
(a) No certificate holder may allow the boarding of carry-on baggage on an airplane unless each passenger's baggage has been scanned to control the size and amount carried on board in accordance with an approved carry-on baggage program in its operations specifications. In addition, no passenger may board an airplane if his/her carry-on baggage exceeds the baggage allowance prescribed in the carry-on baggage program in the certificate holder's operations specifications.
The FAA has approved more than one "approved carry-on baggage program" for airlines, as each US common carrier being a certificate holder has filed its own airline carry-on baggage program with the FAA.
That competitors in the US or flying from the US cluster in some ways around something -- such as approximating "one carry on + one personal item" policies -- is not evidence of a federal mandate no matter how much you may wish there to be one covering amount and size of carry-on baggage.
Each individual airline's carry-on baggage policy limit -- in terms of amount of and size of carry-on baggage -- is established by the individual airline. And this happens as a result of the individual airline filing its own carry-on baggage program with the FAA, which then places the individual airline's carry-on baggage program under that individual (airline) certificate holder's operations specifications.
The simple fact is that FAA has no federal mandate requiring all US airlines (read: certificate holders) to restrict cabin baggage to "one carry on + one personal item".
Once an individual airline submits a carry-on baggage policy to the FAA, the FAA will back up the individual airline's policy on carry-on baggage as the policy was filed with the FAA.
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[quote=GUWonder;12715976]I've already read that and more. One carry on + one personal item is not a federal mandate. It's why NW, in addition to "one carry on, one personal item" also allowed camera equipment and/or "diaper" bags in the cabin earlier this year; and it's also why airlines flying within or from the US still allow passengers to buy "cabin seat baggage" and take on more than just the "one carry on, one personal item". If just "one carry on, one personal item" were a current "federal mandate" rather than a creation of airline's self-imposed restrictions filed with the government and then becoming policy, paid cabin seat baggage would not be allowed on top of your mythical federal mandate of "one carry on, one personal item".
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Camera/Diaper bags are EXEMPTIONS of that 2 bag rule. So is reading material and food items that you purchase in the terminal. So are canes and crutches.
Cabin seat baggage is also NOT included in the count because YOUR PAYING FOR THE SEAT. Thus, you're paying for it to be in the cabin. example, a chello.
Someone else had the same explanation as well online
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Answer is simple: Americans as a whole take more stuff when they travel than other nationalities. For whatever reason, we just need it. Hence, the FAA in the USA mandated the 2 pc/30kg rule for passengers traveling to/from the USA.
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