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Old Jan 5, 11, 10:50 am   #1
 
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Top Flyer will be launched tomorrow

We are very excited to announce that the time has come. Top Flyer will officially be launched to the public tomorrow! You will start to see promotions throughout the FlyerTalk site for our Top Flyer program. Some of the promotions will include changes to some core pages such as the homepage and changes to the main navigation.

We look forward to seeing you in the game!
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Just curious. Did you address the concerns that were expressed in this thread?

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We look forward to seeing you in the game!
Fine print for our members under 21 or residing outside the U.S.:

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The Top Flyer program is open to legal residents of the fifty (50) United States and District of Columbia who are 21 years of age or older.
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Fine print for our members under 21 or residing outside the U.S.:
Well if they were doing the right thing they wouldn't bury it in the fine print.

Again, sounds like a contest that benefits IB & Amex more than it benefits FTers.

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Some of the promotions will include changes to some core pages such as the homepage and changes to the main navigation.

We look forward to seeing you in the game!
(emphasis mine)

Can you explain in more details what are the "changes to the main navigation" on FT, so FTers can provide on-the-point input, if you guys do value FTers' input?

You know we've seen enough technical hiccups from IB so far. sometimes it's hard to tell the differences between bugs and desired "improvement" since the IB Era on FT.
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Well if they were doing the right thing they wouldn't bury it in the fine print.
To clarify, there is no "fine print". All of the rules are openly listed on the "how to play" page which is easy to find from the home page of Top Flyer. If anyone is interested in reading all of the rules you are welcome to do so here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/topflyer/pages/how-to-play
http://www.flyertalk.com/topflyer/pa...and-conditions
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Can you explain in more details what are the "changes to the main navigation" on FT, so FTers can provide on-the-point input, if you guys do value FTers' input?
There will be two changes to the navigation. On the site navigation bar (on the top of the page) there will be a Top Flyer button to the right of Help. In the sub-navigation under Extras you will find a link to Top Flyer (It's the second option down).

There is also an RSS feed on the home page and banner ads throughout the site.

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Old Jan 7, 11, 9:38 pm   #8
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Isn't this a little embarrassing on a number of levels?

First, it provides a financial incentive to do what FTers already do for free.

Second, that financial incentive is pathetic. It suggests the "worth" of FTers is a $25 giftcard.

Third, the lawyers have excluded a sizable portion of the FT community from participating.

Yet another joke from the folks at IB.
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There will be two changes to the navigation. On the site navigation bar (on the top of the page) there will be a Top Flyer button to the right of Help.
Now I just saw that one.

Is it really necessary to have "Top Flyer button" THAT big on the top of the page? What's wrong to have it the same size as the other buttons on the site navigation bar, naming "Home", "Forums","Members", "Extra" & "Help?" Would a little consistency on FT bother IB/Amex that much?

If IB/Amex's intent is to make Top Flyer stand out, an eye-sore-type of way probably is not the best way to promote Top Flyer. A board-wide announcement probably will be a better and reasonable way to do it, IMHO.
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Isn't this a little embarrassing on a number of levels?

First, it provides a financial incentive to do what FTers already do for free.

Second, that financial incentive is pathetic. It suggests the "worth" of FTers is a $25 giftcard.

Third, the lawyers have excluded a sizable portion of the FT community from participating.
Agree.

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Now I just saw that one.

Is it really necessary to have "Top Flyer button" THAT big on the top of the page? What's wrong to have it the same size as the other buttons on the site navigation bar, naming "Home", "Forums","Members", "Extra" & "Help?" Would a little consistency on FT bother IB/Amex that much?

If IB/Amex's intent is to make Top Flyer stand out, an eye-sore-type of way probably is not the best way to promote Top Flyer. A board-wide announcement probably will be a better and reasonable way to do it, IMHO.
I literally burst out laughing when I saw the size of the Top Flyer button being so much larger than the other buttons on the navigation button. My first thought was a my er, font, is bigger than your font.

My 2nd (more probable one) thought was that they want to keep it large to draw more traffic there at least initially so they can count clicks & say it was a 'success' Especially for newbies who don't know any better, they'll see the buttons, see a larger one, especially w/ a name like Top Flyer & think that's where the important stuff is - vs where it's really occurring in the individual airline & hotel & travelbuzz forums.

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Just saw it for the first time (the button and the page). "Bizarre" is the kindest description that comes to mind.
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Just saw it for the first time (the button and the page). "Bizarre" is the kindest description that comes to mind.
"Amateur hour" is the kindest I came up with.
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I am generally supportive of any initiative that improves the travel experiences of others. However, I am somewhat wary of the manner in which Top Flyer does this. I agree with the observations made by magiciansampras upthread and would add that the format appears to be similar to that of an old boys club, which could become frustrating for some. I shall eschew this new format and shall continue to post my observations and advice in the relevant Flyertalk forums. I anxiously await the expansion of the cloud and the introduction of web 3.0 which will undoubtedly integrate all that is wholesome about Flyertalk with appliances such as my mobile phone, sat-nav and toaster-oven.
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I don't get it. Well, I do but I don't like it. Seems like FT has been quite successful for all these years, without needing to grease anyone's palms to share information. Feels like selling out. And I agree the fact the TopFlyer button is so much bigger than the regular FT links is really cheesy looking.

Assuming TF is wildly successful, then what? I now need to check BOTH places to try and find good tips? The more competitive-minded or greedy may just ignore FT and focus on TF. Hopefully none of that happens but then why re-invent the wheel?

Agree also that excluding <21 and international is very bad form, given the significant contributions of FTers in both of those categories.

However, seems like plenty of potential benefit for AMEX:

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The above seems to contradict the answer to the following concern wrt the beta test: Top Flyer
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First, it provides a financial incentive to do what FTers already do for free.

Second, that financial incentive is pathetic. It suggests the "worth" of FTers is a $25 giftcard.
To quote IB-Dick: “Our intent is to offer a new method of sharing knowledge that some members might find engaging. For those who don't find it engaging, your Flyertalk experience should remain mostly unaffected.”

Simply, Top Flyer was designed, and is intended to be a fun game. To clarify, the top 10 Top Flyer participants at the end of the month get a choice between 5,000 American Express Membership Rewards® bonus points OR a $25 American Express® Gift Card. We realize not all players have an American Express MR account so the $25 gift card is offered as a choice to those who win. If you find the prize to be "pathetic" you are welcome to abstain. A prize, monetary or other, never determines anyone’s worth.
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